> Thanks guys, I've seen the 6 hr canoes and they look OK for what they are intended for. However,I don't realy need another canoe. I already have two including a nice 14.5' MicMac stripper. What I realy wanted was a simple ( but not too simple) kayak that I could paddle w my son. I built him a 7' 3" plywood job a couple yars back and he loves it. I may just end up waiting till next year and building the Little Auk. This pram project is going to kill the rest of this winter. Of course i could buy a plastic one just to get through the year..... NA!