> I agree the s&g will be easer for my son and i but i want one strip for my
> self

I think a 5 panel S&G would be easier. I think a 12 panel S&G would be a wash vs. Strip. Read Nick's page regarding his building the S&G Guillemot. I haven't built a multi-chined S&G before, but if he says that building a strip is easier than the multi-chined boat, I'll take his word for it.

> i would like the paper plans for two resoans there easer to fix and
> store and i would like to have the plans if i chose to build a new boat in
> the future even if i layed the plans out on cheap plywood to keep for a
> pattern would work for my needs

If you build forms for a strip boat, you can just keep them assembled and in the rafters of your garage, or in your attic for future boats.

> i like the 12 pannel idea because of the
> rounded shape where you don't have that with a 5 panel yes it's more work
> but i don't mind if i think it will be a better kayak i downloaded the
> carene 50 cad but it will not let me use that may panels and i have no
> idea how to make the sekloton for the boat i want to build as strip.

I'm not trying to convince you to go with a 5 panel river kayak...I don't think a _really_ hard-chined would be suitable for whitewater use either.

Read Nick's book, and look at his pages about building the Guillemot and Expedition single. The "skeleton" or forms, are fairly easily constructed. Remember that for a 12 panel (multi-chined) boat, you'll have to have some forms or a "skeleton" to keep the boat in alignment until you 'glass it too.

I was just advocating that you build 2 strip boats instead of one S&G and one strip. Now if you're building the S&G just for the learning experience of a different construction method, I can understand that. I don't believe you'll see an easier building process by building a 12-panel S&G, especially if you're creating the plans yourself. A multi-chined boat will perform very similarly to a round-bilged boat. I just think a stripped boat is much more beautiful, while being just as utilitarian, and about as easy to build. Besides, when you build the forms for your first boat, the second one can be built on the same forms and you'll be jumping in a good ways down the learning curve.

Good luck! Shawn Baker