> Shawn,

> Forget her; we need you at our pool sessions!

Well, all those rolls are in a whitewater kayak--they're a heckuva lot easier to learn rolls in. I can do the screw roll and Pawlata on both sides...I have yet to pull myself all the way around in a hand roll in my sea kayak, but someday, oh yes, I will. (I hope!)

> A woman who came to the pool last week says a guy she knows can roll with
> his hands crossed over his chest (Torso roll?). It's almost enough to
> drive me to Golf.

It's all in the hip snap. I could maybe almost do one in a WW boat. Once you have a good solid hip snap, all the different rolls are merely ways of getting your body in a good position to do an effective hip snap.

Rather than thinking about doing the hip snap and snapping your body up out of the water, think of snapping the boat under your body...the roll will follow.

Should we take this conversation over to the Techniques BBS? (now that we can!)

Shawn