John, I bought a Yakima rack without locks for $60 about 4 years ago. It has been great for hauling bikes, skis, kayaks, lumber, furniture, and a mattress. It's for sale now since I bought a pickup and made a custom rack for the topper. I used 1 1/8" diameter bars for the frame so I can still use my Yakima accessories for it. I'd definitely recommend the Yak system. (I've never used Thule, but I've heard they're as good)

Shawn

> Larry,

> Yes, the Turtle has rain gutters. I'll try the yard sale idea.

> However I really like the yakmobile idea best. Hmmmm .... lets see, my
> wife has a station wagon ...

> John