> I work in Toronto and live somewhere else. To Torontonian geography, there
> are two places - Toronto (aka. T.O., or Tranna), and Somewhere Else.

I don't know why Toronto bashing has become a thread on a kayak building board but I lived in T.O. for two years and I've lived within an hour for the remainder of my life, currently Peterborough. I think Toronto is great, nice, clean and safe. What's up with the seemingly jealous attitude? I've spent some time on Vancouver Island and in Vancouver recently and I could say they have thier own habitat-centric attitudes, who doesn't?