these are very good points that you have mentioned in your ealier post. however, does anyone know what happens to cable when exposed to salt water? what will happen to this cable if it is ever exposed (and it will) to sand? the clc skeg deploys with a bungee cord and is retracted with a single line. i do agree with your statements of contention. it is ugly, and, it does run lines on top of the deck;however, it could be altered in way to not have it on top or even cut through the deck. i'm not certain, but is placement for the clc skeg set in stone? the reason people (or more importantly...me) like to use a skeg they are cheap and easy. if your going to build something like greg's design why not spend the extra $ 60 to $70 and buy a rudder system. i appreciate your input. like anything, it all comes down to, "what i like". hopefully, this has all aided in some way of making a decision. again, good luck. brett

: (apologies to lee)

: While I might change a few things abt Greg's design, let's compare: aesthetic
: - clc UGLY bump protruding thru hole thru aft deck - greg's makes no mark

: safety - knob and extra line above hull can grab or tie you up in the drink -
: greg's no prob. nothing to grab.

: function1 - clc only retracts, gravity deploys - I think greg's works both
: ways (pushes and pulls)

: function2 - clc has to be way at the back (or deep, deep hole) where will
: jump over heavy wave action - gregs can be placed easily anywhere esp
: closer to the cockpit so always in the water.

: function3 - packing - if you decided to move the clc forward, it takes up way
: more space all the way thru the yak - gregs is slimmer and will allow
: easier access and the enclosed control line is flexible.

: so send the $10 to greg

: -mick