Todd, Eagerly I went to the site and searched...then wasted all sorts of time with the friggin' Adobe Acrobat .pdf file to do something...which it didn't. So...my conclusion: if the website trwts it as a national secret, and it has .pdf files...then it must be a dog of a design!

Check out Ross leidy's site for an innovative design and look back in the archive to a thread on hatches where Mike Allen posted some good ideas. Also, the mysterious Vaclav (oneocean.com) has some terrific info...and lety's not forget Nick's ideas in his book!

Best o' luck

tig (BTW, my opinion of Sea Dog being a dog is strictly my own opinion. Woof woof)