Here, here, Spidey. Sounds like you've been watching me mix. I would only add, be consistent. I usually only mix 1 1/2 or 6 oz batches, and I use the same technique every time. I also have never had a failed batch. This is one of those basics that Vince Lembordi was talking about, "The proffesional does the basics well." Kayak Philosophy 101 will be held at----- z z z zzz