Northern tool and equipment had 4" spring clamps 2 for $1.99. not sure if its a good deal, but I bought eight.they are a national chain and also a mail order company.

Also went into the local specialty wood store. the only cedar the guy said they had was "aromatic" looked like it had lots of knots,as did thier pine. he suggested cypress, anyone use this he said it was pretty flexible.

Then went to lumber yard that looked like I was fixing to waste my Time.They had clear pine 1x6 or 1x8 in16ft. lengths. "NO KNOTS". I had originally asked about western red cedar, he advised that thier yard about an hour or so away stocked it in the same lengths. Being amzed that I had actually found some decent wood( and also being on a motorcycle). Iforgot to ask a price. Will call them shortly.

how many 1x's owuld I need for a 17-18 foot yak.I plan on getting mostly cedar with clear pine for accents. Also I appreciate all the answers I have recieved from everyone,Most other Hobbies(addictions - I believe my wife calls 'em) Everyone wants to keep thier secrets to themselves.

where can I purchase Raka.