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Re: Matching grain Patterns
By:Grant Goltz
Date: 1/8/2001, 8:09 pm
In Response To: Matching grain Patterns (mike allen)

Hi Mick,

Wow! Almost couldn't keep with your description!! Actually, we do make really nicely bookmatched decks, but we don't start with plywood. We essentially make the plywood and use bookmatched veneers for the face. Actually, we form the whole deck in one piece and vacuum bag it in a mold. We use three layers of veneer with three layers of 6 oz cloth between the veneer layers (the third cloth layer is on the interior). Lots easier than sanding off the backs of the plywood!! With this process, we can use all kinds of cool and bizzare looking woods. Anyone for a Brazillian Rosewood deck?

Grant

: Hi Grant

: Do you mean you get the grain to match lengthways? or mainly horizontally?

: I assume you get horizontal matching but do you get repetion of the unrolling
: veneer? I presume you do, like if you have a grain pattern or feature when
: the veneer unrolls, do you get it again?

: And assuming you do, have or could you ever considered bookmatching it? Like
: say you had 2 consecutive sheets(or say if the pattern was repeated in
: only one), and you ripped the sheet between the patterns. And you
: sealcoated both patterns w/ epoxy but with ONE side you continued to glue
: another sheet of junk 1/8 in ply on top w/ the sealcoat. Now turn this
: thicker sheet upside down, take up the big belt sander or plane or
: whatever and remove the original backing veneers.

: Depending on how carefully you do it, would it actually be possible to now
: have a pair of bookmatched panels?

: Now going back to the beginning, say you had 4 repetions in 8 or 10 foot long
: pcs of ply, cut and lay out the repetitions side by side and the bottom of
: them 1,2,3 and 4. Take pc 2 and 4 and lay them together to the side and
: put 1,3 toghether. Turn 2,4 180 degrees and put at the bottom of 1,3, so
: the ends touch so they're 16(20 w/ the 10ft) long.

: You have 1(to the top of upside dn number'4')beside '3'(to the top of upside
: dn'2'). Like laying on the floor you have 4 panels (say ea is 3' wide -
: 1ft tree) making a larger panel 6' by 20', with rightside numbers 1,3
: together and 4,2 together but turned 180.

: Now if you do the very first 'bookmatching' process with sheets 3 and 4(the
: DIAGONALS) then you have continuous bookmatched grain side to side AS WELL
: as LENGTHways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

: So If the veneer face is thick enough so it doesn't get damaged in the
: process, and if there isn't too much staining from the veneer glues, this
: might be a way to make the most dynamite grained stitch and glue kayak
: around. Like it could equal the matching on some musical instruments but
: on a 17 foot scale!!

: anyway some ideas for you grant

: I wonder if they would work? If so, i bet it would be worth the extra trouble
: if you wanted to sell real real expensive stitchers.

: -mick

Messages In This Thread

luan plywood
Tim James -- 1/6/2001, 1:58 am
Re: You say luan , I say lauan
George Cushing -- 1/8/2001, 2:23 pm
Re: luan plywood
Tom Jablonski -- 1/8/2001, 2:14 pm
Re: luan plywood *Pic*
Ross Leidy -- 1/6/2001, 5:33 pm
Re: luan plywood
daniel -- 1/9/2001, 4:44 pm
Re: luan plywood
Ross Leidy -- 1/10/2001, 12:00 am
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daniel -- 1/10/2001, 1:33 pm
Re: Sea Kayaker's Greenland S&G
Ross Leidy -- 1/10/2001, 2:09 pm
Re: Another Luan Project *Pic*
Mike Hanks -- 1/6/2001, 11:09 am
Re: Another Luan Project
Jerry Hayes -- 1/6/2001, 3:18 pm
Re: luan plywood
Ken Finger -- 1/6/2001, 10:08 am
Re: luan plywood - Ugly?!?? *Pic*
Grant Goltz -- 1/7/2001, 1:00 am
Matching grain Patterns
mike allen -- 1/8/2001, 2:04 pm
Re: Matching grain Patterns *Pic*
Mike Hanks -- 1/8/2001, 10:08 pm
Re: Matching grain Patterns
Grant Goltz -- 1/8/2001, 8:09 pm
Continuous Matching Grain Stitchers
mike allen -- 1/9/2001, 2:25 pm
Re: How we match our decks
Grant Goltz -- 1/9/2001, 7:33 pm
Another possibility for one-offs?
Brian Nystrom -- 1/10/2001, 11:04 am
Re: Another possibility for one-offs?
Grant Goltz -- 1/10/2001, 5:03 pm
Re: example *Pic*
Grant Goltz -- 1/9/2001, 11:30 pm
matching patter
mike allen -- 1/10/2001, 9:27 pm
Re: matching patterns, etc - I ramble on
Grant Goltz -- 1/10/2001, 10:52 pm
Re: matching patterns
mike allen -- 1/11/2001, 10:07 pm
Re: Hey Mick, lets cook on these ideas a bit
Grant Goltz -- 1/11/2001, 11:21 pm
Re: Hey Mick, lets cook on these ideas a bit
mike allen -- 1/12/2001, 12:10 pm
Pattern Games
mike allen -- 1/9/2001, 4:54 pm
Re: Matching grain Patterns
mike allen -- 1/8/2001, 2:38 pm
Re: Matching grain Patterns *NM*
mike allen -- 1/8/2001, 2:27 pm
Re: luan plywood - Ugly?!??
Ken Finger -- 1/7/2001, 8:57 am
Re: Meranti price, etc.
Grant Goltz -- 1/7/2001, 3:33 pm
Re: luan plywood
Erez -- 1/6/2001, 9:29 am
Re: luan plywood *Pic*
Don B. -- 1/6/2001, 8:57 am
Re: Look at that Bumper!
George Cushing -- 1/8/2001, 1:20 pm
Re: Look at that Bumper!
Don B. -- 1/8/2001, 1:47 pm
Re: luan plywood
Paul Lund -- 1/6/2001, 6:48 am
Re: luan plywood *Pic*
Mike Hanks -- 1/6/2001, 2:46 am