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Re: Voyager style canoe Pics *Pic*
By:Russ
Date: 1/8/2001, 8:40 pm
In Response To: Voyager style canoe (Greg Hicks)

Greg,
There were basically 3 main designs for Voyager Canoes. They are the " Montreal," the "Bastard" (Hey I didn't name them)
and the North canoe.

The Montreal was an 11 meter boat with a crew of 16. Built for big water and heavy loads.

The B* was a 9 to 10 meter boat; crewed usually by 9 and was meant for carrying large cargo up smaller tighter creeks (thus the name)

The North Canoe was not a true freight boat it was a short trip canoe crewed usually by 9 with pork eater (steersman) in the back

Here are two selections of pictures for you to check out:
The first is a web page built by a few art historians , and commisioned by the Canadian Government, with captioned pictures of all manner of Hudson Bay Company Voyageur Canoes. It will give you a variety of proportions and forms to consider.

http://www.civilization.ca/membrs/canhist/canoe/can07eng.html

If you like Voyageur Canoe pictures : Canoe builders and art historians a like will be forever indebted to the guts and skills of the artist Frances Anne Hopkins (1838-1919) She accompanied her Voyageur husband for a season. Her paintings not only captured the life, but nicely captured the design, shape and use of the boats. She often painted her self into the pictures, so give her a tip of the hat if you ever catch her in her work. Part of the fun of viewing her work is finding her. :)

From a boatwright's perspective. The height bow and sterns your admiring served the freighters well in the shooting of rapids (adding freeboard where they tended to plunge) and as a windscreen for the crew on big water. However, they worked because the boat was loaded to the gills. Those high bows and sterns were also big wind catchers and would not have worked with out the weight of the heavy boats, heavy crews heavy supplies and the bales of freight manifest to hold them on course.

I admire your intention to build this form and flavor into your boat. Its going to add a lot of history, character and beauty However when you do so you may want to
add that forward curve, and that thrust point stern carefully. When you add this form to your boat, be careful how much sail your putting up in a recreation boat.
Remember your going to have to push that wind load in your boat for a long time:) From that perspective you might want to look at the smaller north canoe for
proportion and cut down even on that. Secondly, those sweeping bows and sterns usually narrowed quickly above where the paddlers heads were, to minimize the
hollows of the bow and stern acting as a spinnaker.

In addition to the website above I have put some other pictures in a photopoint folder on Voyagers for ya. check out the Frederic Remington's Radisson and Groseilliers, 1905. It may give you what you need to get a sense of form and proportion that could go into a smaller boat.

For the visuals I still love the B* lines. But incorporating that with wind loads in mind will be harder. Post a picture as you get going. I'd love to see what your going to lay up.

May all your Pelts be fat and bleu

!RUSS

Messages In This Thread

Voyager style canoe
Greg Hicks -- 1/8/2001, 9:12 am
Re: Voyager style canoe
John -- 1/10/2001, 12:46 pm
Re: Voyager style canoe - THANKS!!
Greg Hicks -- 1/10/2001, 9:37 am
Re: Voyager style canoe
Greg Hicks -- 1/9/2001, 10:25 am
Re: Pictures Up *Pic*
Grant Goltz -- 1/9/2001, 11:11 pm
Re: Pictures Up
Dale Frolander -- 1/10/2001, 5:56 am
Re: Pictures Up
Grant Goltz -- 1/10/2001, 4:55 pm
Re: Voyager style canoe drawings
Grant Goltz -- 1/9/2001, 11:02 am
Re: Voyager style canoe Pics *Pic*
Russ -- 1/8/2001, 8:40 pm
Re: Voyager Photopoint Folder Pics
Russ -- 1/8/2001, 9:49 pm
Re: Voyager style canoe
Grant Goltz -- 1/8/2001, 7:58 pm