Russ,
Geez, next time please don't hold back-let me know what is really on your
mind

Seriously, I appreciate your passion, and the time you have taken to reply.
You seem to have either read A LOT into my post, or it was much more immflammatory than I had intended. Let me comment on the former, and offer an apology if the latter.

I am not unappreciative of all the work that goes into designing a product. I have thanked Nick several times for his help in the past, I usually do this outside of the board, so you would not know that.

: However, I think I'm going to jump into this one boots first. I think your
: talking out of both sides of your mouth, and I'm gonna call you on it.

: Yes they should be paid but......

I did not say this... My 'challenge' was with the fact that I feel that if a product is labelled as "complete", then it ought to be just that. I cannot find a definition of that word that includes any degree... Kind of like the words dead and pregnant -- As my dad used to tell me, there's no such thing as a little of either!

: You can find them in wooden boat magazines popular mechanics and on line. The
: off sets are usually in their books all you have to do is learn to loft
: and the books
: usually teach you how to do that too. The cost of getting plans is often as
: little as trip to a library looking for a back copy of the magazines. At
: wooden boat shows

Again, I DID buy the book, on the understanding that everything I would need to know about building the boat was included in the COMPLETE plans...There is that word again.

: Frankly I am amazed at their generosity. I sure am not going to down them for
: one sentence on page 19 of a book saying and Oh by the way if you don't
: want to
: loft it and you want to buy a set of stupid proof plans that you just glue to
: a piece of plywood and cut out.

This is quite different from what is actually written...

: I run into folks again and again who are willing to spend from 50 dollars to
: 3000 dollars on wood for there boat, butt hey dont' want to spend between
: $15 and a
: $100 dollars for a set of plans...... They want the idea for free. I get
: folks who want to borrow my forms, but not buy the design. And the crazy
: thing is they usually
: can get a fabulous design absolutely legally free from a first rate designer

I share your passion here-kind of like giving your report to a friend who was too lazy to do his own!

: How bought showing up on this board for the first time saying. Saying thanks.
: Thanks for everything.

I always try to give thanks to folks for advice and help on this bbs.I guess my previous posts went un-noticed...

: PS Also if its free bees your looking for, look a little deeper in the board.
: There are at least three different designs that those nasty bad d
: designers have posted or given directions too. And that's just in the past
: month.

Please do not take one 'challenge' I have with one book (I see in my post I used the term designer, I meant the book) and interpret that to mean I feel designers are nassssssty and baaaaad

Kelly