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Re: agree to disagree?
By:Rob Macks
Date: 3/1/2001, 9:26 pm
In Response To: Re: agree to disagree? (Ross Leidy)

: Like I said, I'll report my findings when I get around to sanding the hull.
: Regardless of how difficult it turns out to be in practice, I will not
: sand through the glass at the transition. Luckily, it's not a matter of
: guesswork, it's a matter of being careful. I may find out that it's more
: work than it's worth and I'll go back to placing the partial layer on top.
: Alternatively, I might find that it's not so difficult to sand at the
: transition. In which case, I've saved myself some aggravation during
: wet-out.

: I surprised that you've written-off this technique completely, having never
: tried it yourself and without any empirical or anecdotal evidence that
: it's responsible for failures.

: Upon further refection, I'm sure a case could be made for sand-through to be
: more likely with the partial layer on top. With that arrangement, you have
: to concentrate the sanding in that area to do the feathering. It's very
: likely that you'll hit some of the full layer of glass. Sounds like either
: method requires care not to damage the full layer of glass.

: Ross

I have sanded smaller areas of overlapping glass on parts of the kayak and found it more difficult to tell when I was and was not cutting through the layer.

I use the large layer over the smaller all the time on the inside of my hull for an expedition lay-up but I don’t sand it.

I don't know, perhaps I'm just such an outstanding sander and look at what I'm doing that no one else has ever noticed that;

When feathering the edge of a layer of glass on top of another, there is a very distinct edge I can see as I start sanding.

As I sand feathering the edge, I can see the whitish pattern of the cloth as I cut the edge of the top layer AND I can see the shiny surface of the untouched glass I'm feathering down to.

I don't touch the resin surface on the bottom layer of glass until I've broken the edge of the top layer. Once that happens I move on.

I have very clear visual cues every step of the way on my progress.

All this is happening while I am continuously moving my ROS back and forth along the cloth edge I'm feathering.

The times I have sanded a layer of glass over an underlying piece I found;

As I start to sand I see a matte surface where my sand paper it cutting and I see an untouched dip where the sandpaper has not cut below the step in the glass layers.

I can only guess at how long I can continue to sand before I will cut the glass of the top layer at the edge of the step. If I try to remove the dip I’m likely to cut the glass.

This takes a lot more effort and attention to know when to stop. The only visual cue I have here is when I see I’m cutting the tops of the cloth weave. It's too late!

I have done a LOT of sanding. I will match anyone for sanding skill. I have sanded all the glass off boats and not broken the resin soaked wood layer.

I’m not trying to bust your balls on this Ross, I know you’re already committed.

I truly believe is that it’s easier to screw up, ESPECIALLY FOR A NOVICE.

Messages In This Thread

Glassing Tip Needed
Bill Dumont -- 2/28/2001, 12:22 pm
Re: Glassing Tip Needed
Doug Kuik -- 3/1/2001, 4:33 pm
Re: Glassing Tip Needed
Rob Macks -- 3/1/2001, 4:49 pm
Re: Glassing Tip Needed
Doug K. -- 3/1/2001, 11:57 pm
30' long baggies?
MikeWhy -- 3/2/2001, 7:28 am
Re: 30' long baggies?
bob -- 3/4/2001, 2:49 pm
Re: 30' long baggies?
Pete Rudie -- 3/3/2001, 1:35 pm
Re: 30' long baggies?
Sam McFadden -- 3/3/2001, 4:22 pm
Re: 30' long baggies?
Pete Rudie -- 3/4/2001, 2:56 am
Bagging (vacuum)
Sam McFadden -- 3/4/2001, 11:53 am
vacuum bagging kayaks & other stuff
Paul G. Jacobson -- 3/2/2001, 3:25 pm
Re: 30' long baggies?
john doerter -- 3/2/2001, 10:16 am
ROCKET SCIENCE
MikeWhy -- 3/2/2001, 11:36 am
Vacumebagging allow multi layers?
john doerter -- 3/2/2001, 11:18 pm
Re: 30' long baggies?
Rob Macks -- 3/2/2001, 8:13 am
Re: Glassing Tip Needed
Bill Dumont -- 3/1/2001, 9:26 pm
Re: Glassing Tip Needed
Rob Macks -- 2/28/2001, 9:01 pm
Re: I did both.
Tony -- 3/1/2001, 4:11 pm
Re: Glassing Tip Needed
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 3/1/2001, 10:05 am
Re: perhaps too emphatic?
Ross Leidy -- 2/28/2001, 11:50 pm
Re: perhaps too emphatic?
Rob Macks -- 3/1/2001, 8:01 am
Re: perhaps too emphatic?
Ross Leidy -- 3/1/2001, 8:58 am
Re: perhaps too Too emphatic?
Rob Macks -- 3/1/2001, 9:29 am
Re: perhaps too Too emphatic?
john doerter -- 3/1/2001, 9:20 pm
Re: agree to disagree?
Ross Leidy -- 3/1/2001, 4:51 pm
Re: agree to disagree?
Rob Macks -- 3/1/2001, 9:26 pm
Re: I yield...
Ross Leidy -- 3/1/2001, 10:55 pm
Re: Glassing Tip Needed
Ross Leidy -- 2/28/2001, 1:27 pm