: Hi Elliot, I think us modern folks like to think we are
: "civilized" but the opportunities for focused pack/tribal male
: activities are few and treasured in ones lifetime. I raced bicycles in the
: '80's also. Learning to ride in a pack brought home on a very immediate
: survival level the need to have a minimal level of riding skills (maintain
: position, predictable handling,etc.) but also a basic understanding that
: you are a part of a social group. Guys that turned nearly every training
: ride into an ego opportunity were often a danger to themselves and others,
: but most often turned a "recreation" into some kind of ongoing
: therapy including others, not fun.

Lee, Geez can you imagine him in a pace line? Or a sprint to the finish? Ouch just hurts thinking about it.
Cheers, Glad to be part of the human gene pool. Elliott