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Re: Gyroscopic cancellation
By:Mark Kanzler
Date: 6/17/1998, 2:33 pm
In Response To: Re: Gyroscopic cancellation (NPenney)

It doesn't work if you try to use the other hand for the second gyro! I need two right hands.

> It's a pretty simple explanation, as long as one avoids depth.
> Remember your right hand rule for electricity and how forces work
> in the windings of motors and such? You can use the same rule basically
> for gyroscopes.

> Take your right hand, make a fist, and admire your fingernails.
> Now stick out your thumb. Now stick out your index finger. Not that
> one! Don't give people the bird, they'll get upset. There's your gyroscope.
> It's spinning about your thumb (axis) in the direction the fingers
> are pointing. If you now try to twist your fist gyroscope towards
> you (thumb pointing towards your face), the end will push up in the
> direction your index finger is pointing. Try to twist the other way,
> and the gyroscope fist will push the other direction. Reverse the
> rotation, and the forces of course reverse. Which is why two matched
> counter rotating gyroscopes cancel out the gyroscopic forces of each
> other. Not the forces of mass or inertia, just the gyroscopic forces.
>

> Which should also now be giving you a clue about how a bicycle
> or motorcycle wheel could not be helping stability. For as you fall
> over, the slight gyroscopic effect shoves you forward or backwards,
> not back upright.

> Last point as it relates to kayaks. Lets assume you did install
> a full ship-steadying gyro. In a kayak, you'd regret it I believe.
> It's fine on a ship that has a nice tall hull to deflect the waves
> that the ship is now cutting through instead of riding up over. You
> don't have that much hull with a kayak. You'd find yourself soaked
> and exhausted, torpedoing through waves instead of bobbing up over
> them.

> Turning would become very difficult as you would not be able
> tip the boat to change water line and effective chine.

> Lastly, if you turned turtle, you'd never be able to roll it
> back upright.

Messages In This Thread

Re: Another way to combine bicycling and kayaking
David Dick -- 6/17/1998, 5:08 am
Re: Gyroscopic stabilization (cont'd)
Mark Kanzler -- 6/17/1998, 11:23 am
Re: Gyroscopic cancellation
NPenney -- 6/17/1998, 2:20 pm
Re: Gyroscopic cancellation
Mark Kanzler -- 6/19/1998, 7:12 pm
Re: Gyroscopic question (again)
Mark Kanzler -- 6/19/1998, 7:02 pm
Re: Gyro question (again) / Paddle design
David Dick -- 6/20/1998, 6:30 am
Re: Paddle design, how is it done?
Mark Kanzler -- 6/20/1998, 10:34 am
Re: Gyroscopic question (again)
David Dick -- 6/20/1998, 6:21 am
Re: Gyroscopic cancellation
David Dick -- 6/17/1998, 9:38 pm
Re: Gyroscopic cancellation
NPenney -- 6/18/1998, 7:36 am
Re: Maybe curiousity and a sense of wonder is why some build their own kayaks, eh?
Mark Kanzler -- 6/19/1998, 7:25 pm
Re: Gyroscopic cancellation
Karl Kulp -- 6/18/1998, 11:24 am
Re: Gyroscopic cancellation
Mark Kanzler -- 6/17/1998, 2:33 pm
Re: Gyroscopic cancellation
NPenney -- 6/17/1998, 2:59 pm
Re: Gyroscopic cancellation
Mark Kanzler -- 6/17/1998, 4:11 pm
Re: Gyroscopic cancellation
NPenney -- 6/18/1998, 7:02 am
Re: Gyroscopic cancellation
Mark Kanzler -- 6/19/1998, 7:17 pm
Re: Gyroscopic stabilization (cont'd)
David Dick -- 6/17/1998, 1:40 pm
Re: Instability vs. Induced Oscillation
Mark Kanzler -- 6/17/1998, 2:12 pm