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Re: Link, I hope.
By:Karl Kulp
Date: 6/20/1998, 11:10 am
In Response To: Re: Link, I hope. (Paul Jacobson)


> I think the figures are something
> like less than one percent of newsprint is from some source other
> than tree farms or recycling. Good Sitka spruce is too darn expensive
> to use for paper pulp. On another front, the hardwood industry likes
> to point out that there are more trees now than there were 30 years
> ago, and the number of trees is growing. My son counters that the
> average age of the forests is still small as older trees are felled
> and replaced by (more) young ones. My riposte is that even if you
> do not cut the older trees, if you plant two new ones for every old
> one the average age of the forest will also fall. It becomes a political
> game with mathematical pieces, where the various sides manipulate
> the data to serve their ends.

One has to take into account that a lot of forest is cleared (i.e. clearcut) in order to create these tree plantations.

> Personally, I like the economic-based viewpoint. It states that
> scarcer wood, and that includes a lot of old growth timber, will cost
> more. A corollary to that is that if you buy cheap wood your conscience
> and wallet are both saved.

But it's a catch-22. As the market drives prices up due to scarcity, the economic incentive to harvest is that much greater.

> Anyone checked the price of lake perch or Atlantic cod recently?
> As these fish get scarcer the price for them rises. On the other hand,
> there is a salmon glut in the market.

The world's fisheries are shot. The reason there is a glut is that much of the fishing industry is subsidized. There has also been a shift to species that were once considered unfavorable and simply thrown over the side of the trawler. Now it ends up on your plate as a new, trendy fish dinner.

> There are plenty of environmental issues, and many points of
> view surrounding each. Pick your battles and stock up on your (verbal)
> ammunition.

Karl

Messages In This Thread

Trees
Todd McGlaun -- 6/17/1998, 3:33 pm
Link, I hope.
Todd McGlaun -- 6/18/1998, 9:31 am
Re: Link, I hope.
Rob Cochrane -- 6/19/1998, 4:39 pm
Re: Link, I hope.
Paul Jacobson -- 6/20/1998, 1:47 am
Re: Link, I hope.
Rob Cochrane -- 6/20/1998, 5:43 pm
Re: Link, I hope.
Karl Kulp -- 6/20/1998, 11:10 am
Re: Saving wood.
Mark Kanzler -- 6/20/1998, 10:11 am
Re: Trees
Don Beale -- 6/19/1998, 1:12 am
A more direct link
Mark Kanzler -- 6/18/1998, 7:59 pm
Re: Link, I hope.
Mark Kanzler -- 6/18/1998, 7:47 pm
Re: Trees, careful use of renewable resources....
Tor-Henrik Furmyr -- 6/18/1998, 3:53 pm
I hope there's hope.
Mike R -- 6/18/1998, 2:56 pm
Re: Link, I hope.
NPenney -- 6/18/1998, 1:32 pm
Re: Trees
Roger Tulk -- 6/18/1998, 10:43 am
Re: Trees
Karl Kulp -- 6/18/1998, 11:03 am
Re: Trees
Kevin Sheppard -- 6/20/1998, 11:55 pm
Re: Trees
Karl Kulp -- 6/21/1998, 11:22 am
Re: Trees
Kevin Sheppard -- 6/21/1998, 8:29 pm
Re: Trees
Rob Cochrane -- 6/23/1998, 5:59 pm
Re: Trees
Karl Kulp -- 6/21/1998, 11:17 am
Re: Trees
Mike Spence -- 6/18/1998, 11:56 am
Re: Trees
Karl Kulp -- 6/18/1998, 1:03 pm
Re: Trees
Mike Spence -- 6/18/1998, 5:29 pm
Re: Trees
David Dick -- 6/20/1998, 12:54 am
Re: Moist Nostrils.
Mark Kanzler -- 6/19/1998, 4:49 pm
Re: Trees
John Lange -- 6/18/1998, 2:27 pm
Re: Trees (my review)
Mark Kanzler -- 6/17/1998, 4:17 pm
Re: Trees (my review)
Don Beale -- 6/17/1998, 9:28 pm
HUH?
Mike Spence -- 6/17/1998, 7:15 pm
Re: HUH?
Mike R -- 6/17/1998, 7:59 pm