Date: 7/9/1998, 11:57 am
Sounds to me like you're making a monster out of a molehill. If you can live with the tendancy and compensate by an occasional paddle stroke correction, that would be the simplist cure.
A simple adjustable skeg would also be far easier then trying to determine the optimal correction angle and location with a calculator.
If you're really concerned with being able to optimize the correction angle for various boating conditions, use a rudder.
> After listening to lots of good advice about my kayak that has
> a tendency to pull to port, I have tentatively decided to put what
> some are calling a "trim tab" on starboard side. I definately
> have a very modest curve at end of boat which I can see in the bottom
> chine and which I think is rejplicated on sides of panels. I will
> also experiment this weekend with some foam to build up side that
> curves away from center, so as to resymetrize boat as Paul suggested.
> If I like the result I may turn this into a more permanent fix with
> real materials. For the meantime, I will proabably go with the trim
> tab on the side.
> This is my question. I suspect but do not know that water does
> not flow front to back under the hull of a kayak. If you just plop
> boat down into the water the displaced water would flow at a perpendicular
> angle to boats longitudinal axis - from midline to sides. I imagine
> that as speed increases the flow tends to straighten out but is never
> exactly front to back. The result of this for an off center fin that
> is under hull but not on midline would be that for any given speed
> there would be an angle of fin/skeg that would not apply corrective
> pressure because it would be in line with true direction of water
> flow. Conversely, a fin that ran parallel to boats direction of travel
> would have greater pressure on inboard side of fin and this would
> try and turn boat even though fin was straight. The least amount of
> drag would be at some angle to centerline, with the exact angle depending
> on the boats velocity. For best effect (least drag, most corrective
> action), I wonder if skeg should be angled for maximum performance
> at a specific speed (like 3 knots). On another list, I was also informed
> that current designs on sailboats and so on have an endplate at bottom
> of rudder or what have you to increase efficiency, presumably because
> this prevents water from "cheating" by sliding under rudder
> from the high pressure to the low pressure side. This simple idea
> adding a trim tab is getting complicated, although perhaps the impact
> of all these variables is negligible in reality.
> Dave
Messages In This Thread
- Mayday Mayday! boat goes left
David Walker -- 7/6/1998, 9:17 pm- Re: Try another paddler
Jay Babina -- 7/7/1998, 2:32 pm- Re: Mayday Mayday! boat goes left
Mark Kanzler -- 7/7/1998, 11:51 am- Re: rudders
NPenney -- 7/8/1998, 8:17 am- Re: Aspect ratio.
Mark Kanzler -- 7/8/1998, 11:21 am- Re: Aspect ratio.
NPenney -- 7/8/1998, 2:34 pm- Re: Aspect ratio.
Nick Schade -- 7/8/1998, 3:17 pm- Re: Higher Aspect ratio = No Steering
NPenney -- 7/9/1998, 7:49 am- Re: Higher Aspect ratio = No Steering
Mark Kanzler -- 7/9/1998, 10:38 am- Re: Higher Aspect ratio = No Steering
NPenney -- 7/9/1998, 11:50 am- Re: Old Textbooks, etc.
Mark Kanzler -- 7/11/1998, 12:52 am- Re: Old Textbooks, etc.
NPenney -- 7/10/1998, 2:53 pm
- Re: Old Textbooks, etc.
- Re: Old Textbooks, etc.
- Re: Higher Aspect ratio = No Steering
- Re: Higher Aspect ratio = No Steering
- Re: Higher Aspect ratio = No Steering
- Re: Aspect ratio.
- Re: Aspect ratio.
- Re: Here's a sketch of one possible solution (as described in prev post)
Mark Kanzler -- 7/8/1998, 12:41 am- Image link still not working.
Mike Spence -- 7/7/1998, 1:28 pm- Re: Image link still not working. (Sorry)
Mark Kanzler -- 7/7/1998, 1:56 pm- Re: Image working.(?)
Mark Kanzler -- 7/8/1998, 1:26 am- Not yet. - Don't despair!
Mike Spence -- 7/8/1998, 1:19 pm- Re: Not yet. - Don't despair!
Mark Kanzler -- 7/8/1998, 2:18 pm- Re: Here it is! (Satisfaction Guaranteed)
Mark Kanzler -- 7/8/1998, 10:23 pm- Re: Here it is! (Satisfaction Guaranteed)
David Walker -- 7/10/1998, 10:28 am- Re: Surfbard skegs.
Mark Kanzler -- 7/10/1998, 11:58 am- Re: Surfbard skegs.
David Walker -- 7/10/1998, 1:49 pm- Re: Surfbard skegs.
David Walker -- 7/10/1998, 5:30 pm- Re: Surfbard skegs.
Mark Kanzler -- 7/12/1998, 11:08 am- Re: Surfbard skegs.
Paul Jacobson -- 7/12/1998, 7:18 pm
- Re: Surfbard skegs.
- Re: Surfbard skegs site (try it again please).
Mark Kanzler -- 7/10/1998, 2:50 pm- Re: Surfbard skegs site (try it again please).
Mike Spence -- 7/10/1998, 6:51 pm
- Re: Surfbard skegs.
- Re: Surfbard skegs.
- Re: Surfbard skegs.
- Re: Here it is! (Satisfaction Guaranteed)
Nick Schade -- 7/9/1998, 4:12 pm- Re: Here it is! (Satisfaction Guaranteed)
Mark Kanzler -- 7/11/1998, 12:37 am
- Re: Surfbard skegs.
- Re: Here it is! (Satisfaction Guaranteed)
- Re: Here it is! (Satisfaction Guaranteed)
- Re: Not yet. - Don't despair!
- Not yet. - Don't despair!
- Re: Image working.(?)
- Re: Image link still not working. (Sorry)
- Re: Mayday Mayday! boat goes left
Mark Kanzler -- 7/8/1998, 12:39 am - Re: Aspect ratio.
- My $0.02
CHad -- 7/7/1998, 11:29 am- P.S.
CHad -- 7/7/1998, 11:56 am
- Re: Mayday Mayday! boat goes left
NPenney -- 7/7/1998, 7:33 am- how I solved mine.
R. N. Sabolevsky -- 7/6/1998, 11:56 pm- Re: Mayday Mayday! boat goes left
Duane Strosaker -- 7/6/1998, 11:38 pm- Re: Mayday Mayday! boat goes left
Mike Spence -- 7/7/1998, 12:11 pm
- Re: Mayday Mayday! boat goes left
Paul Jacobson -- 7/6/1998, 11:20 pm- Off center fins and water flow
David Walker -- 7/8/1998, 5:28 pm- Re: Off center fins and water flow
NPenney -- 7/9/1998, 11:57 am- Re: Off center fins and water flow
Mike Spence -- 7/9/1998, 5:56 pm- Re: Off center fins and water flow
Paul Jacobson -- 7/11/1998, 2:53 am- Re: Off center fins and water flow
Mark Kanzler -- 7/10/1998, 11:47 am- Re: Off center fins and water flow
NPenney -- 7/10/1998, 6:22 am - Re: Off center fins and water flow
- Re: Off center fins and water flow
- Re: Skegs and water flow.
Mark Kanzler -- 7/8/1998, 6:10 pm- Re: Skegs and water flow.
David Walker -- 7/8/1998, 6:42 pm- Re: Skegs and water flow.
Mark Kanzler -- 7/8/1998, 7:07 pm- Re: Skegs and water flow.
David Walker -- 7/10/1998, 10:37 am- Re: Skeg attachment w/ silicone.
Mark Kanzler -- 7/10/1998, 11:34 am
- Re: Skeg attachment w/ silicone.
- Re: Skegs and water flow.
- Re: Skegs and water flow.
- Re: Off center fins and water flow
- Re: Off center fins and water flow
- Re: Mayday Mayday! boat goes left
Wes Boyd -- 7/6/1998, 10:36 pm - Re: Mayday Mayday! boat goes left
- Re: Try another paddler