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Re: Venting A Sealed Compartment - MY SOLUTION
By:Nolan Penney
Date: 9/16/1998, 8:45 am

Why are you so resistive to a hatch on the bulkhead? You can buy them cheaply, or make them even cheaper. I made mine.

Remember, the water is not going to be under much pressure trying to get into the compartment. Even if you torpedo the boat under a wave, it will not stay down long, and does not go down far. Water intrusion from pressure is minimal therefore.

Foam is neat stuff, but does have its drawbacks. Namely its failure to actually completely fill a void, and its superb water holding abilities. I've opened up far to many boats to find water in a water tight void. That's bad enough, but with foam there holding the water against a single location, it sets rot off nicely. Which is also why I do not like inaccessable water tight compartments. Bad news, imo.

Foam still does not address the pressure change problems that take place with temperature. It does a bit in that it insulates, and a bit more because it takes up space. But put a sealed compartment out in the sun and it will pressurize. Same with cold. The foam helps, but doesn't change physics. You will still have structural problems as a result, they'll just take longer to happen, and reverse.

Be aware to that some of the foams re-cure as the temperature goes up. So if you build the boat on a cool day, deck it and take it out into the sun to bake, the foam may kick off and start expanding and recuring, potentially blowing your deck off. I've seen it happen before.

A bulkead hatch is therefore good news imo. You can inspect the compartment, drain water, dry it out, and even store things. Personally, I prefer bulkhead hatches to deck hatches because of waves, but that's my own preference.

> Actually though you've touched on my solution so I may as well reveal it
> now. I'm thinking of displacing the air in this compartment with CLOSED
> cell urethane foam. If I fill this compartment with foam, there will be no
> air to expand and contract and this should provide plenty of flotation at
> the same time. Problem solved. The only thing I'm a little nervous about
> is the expanding foam might just decide to blow out the sides of the kayak
> rather than taking the path of least resistance and expand upward as it
> should (the forward deck is not on yet so it should expand upward). I'm
> more than a little nervous about this since once you pore the 2-part
> mixture in this cavity and it expands, it's a done deal.

Messages In This Thread

Venting A Sealed Compartment
Jim Ward -- 9/15/1998, 4:16 pm
Everyone wants to vent
Paul Jacobson -- 9/18/1998, 4:19 am
Re: Everyone wants to vent
Rick VanBuren -- 9/18/1998, 4:38 pm
vent and w(h)ine
Paul Jacobson -- 9/19/1998, 9:26 pm
Re: Everyone wants to vent
Mike Spence -- 9/18/1998, 3:14 pm
Re: Venting - it's not a problem
Jay Babina -- 9/17/1998, 10:06 am
Re: Venting A Sealed Compartment
Pat Pavlik -- 9/16/1998, 10:56 pm
Re: Venting A Sealed Compartment
Mark Kanzler -- 9/16/1998, 4:02 pm
Re: Venting A Sealed Compartment
Jon K. -- 9/15/1998, 7:40 pm
Re: Venting A Sealed Compartment - MY SOLUTION
Jim Ward -- 9/15/1998, 8:59 pm
Re: Venting A Sealed Compartment - MY SOLUTION
Mark Kanzler -- 9/16/1998, 11:35 am
Re: Venting A Sealed Compartment - MY SOLUTION
Nolan Penney -- 9/16/1998, 8:45 am
Re: Venting A Sealed Compartment - MY SOLUTION
Scotty -- 9/16/1998, 11:28 am
Comments on Your Solution
Jon K. -- 9/15/1998, 10:49 pm
Re: No Foam. Inspection Port In Bulkhead
Jim Ward -- 9/16/1998, 10:28 pm
Re: No Foam. Inspection Port In Bulkhead
Mark Kanzler -- 9/18/1998, 5:35 pm
Re: No Foam. Inspection Port In Bulkhead
Mark Kanzler -- 9/18/1998, 5:55 pm
Re: No Foam. Inspection Port In Bulkhead
Nick Schade -- 9/17/1998, 5:01 pm
Re: PVC pipe fittings
Nolan Penney -- 9/17/1998, 8:01 am
Re: No Foam. Inspection Port In Bulkhead
Mike Spence -- 9/17/1998, 12:50 pm
Re: No Foam. Inspection Port In Bulkhead
Rick VanBuren -- 9/17/1998, 4:17 pm
Re: No Foam. Inspection Port In Bulkhead
Pat Pavlik -- 9/16/1998, 11:56 pm
Flexible inspection plate
Mike Spence -- 9/17/1998, 12:17 pm
Re: Venting A Sealed Compartment
L.C. -- 9/15/1998, 7:26 pm
Re: Venting A Sealed Compartment
Mark Kanzler -- 9/15/1998, 5:46 pm
Re: Venting A Sealed Compartment
Mark Carroll -- 9/15/1998, 4:46 pm
Re: Venting A Sealed Compartment
Jim Ward -- 9/15/1998, 5:23 pm
Re: Venting A Sealed Compartment
Ross Leidy -- 9/15/1998, 4:34 pm
Re: Venting A Sealed Compartment
Martin Foil -- 9/16/1998, 3:10 pm
run a vent tube
Brian C. -- 9/15/1998, 5:30 pm
Re: run a vent tube
Jim Ward -- 9/15/1998, 6:19 pm
Re: run a vent tube
Rick C. -- 9/17/1998, 10:15 pm
Re: run a vent tube
Mark Kanzler -- 9/18/1998, 6:42 pm
Re: Gas mask valve
Mike Spence -- 9/18/1998, 3:01 am
Re: Gas mask valve
Mark Kanzler -- 9/18/1998, 6:55 pm
Re: Gas mask valve
Nolan Penney -- 9/18/1998, 7:01 am
Re: Gas mask valve
Mark Kanzler -- 9/18/1998, 7:03 pm
Re: Tandem valve....
Tor-Henrik Furmyr -- 9/19/1998, 6:42 pm
Re: Tandem valve....
Mark Kanzler -- 9/20/1998, 1:06 am
valveless `valve'
Paul Jacobson -- 9/19/1998, 8:44 pm
Re: Gas mask valve
Rick C. -- 9/18/1998, 2:28 pm
Re: Venting A Sealed Compartment
Jim Ward -- 9/15/1998, 5:28 pm
Re: Idea #2
Nick Schade -- 9/16/1998, 5:57 pm
Re: Venting A Sealed Compartment
Nick Schade -- 9/16/1998, 5:44 pm
Re: Venting A Sealed Compartment
Ross Leidy -- 9/15/1998, 5:52 pm