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Re: Material: Few more questions re SK S&G build
By:Paul
Date: 11/26/2004, 11:36 pm
In Response To: Material: Few more questions re SK S&G build (Thomas Duncan)

: Having not mastered the art of the short post, here is a summary of these
: questions: 1. Is 5.2mm lauan too heavy to use for an 18' boat?

* In my opinion YES,4mm Hull and 3mm deck is plenty.

: 2. What weight cloth can I get away with if doing both sides hull and deck
: with 9oz taped interior seams and reinforcement strips.

* 6oz on hull , 4 oz on deck .

: 3. Do Raka's epoxy pumps work well?

* Dont know, never used em.

: 4. Will the thick and presumably soft core ply of the lauan dictate thicker
: cloth for puncture and ding resistance? Will it make a weak composite
: sandwich?

* Possibly,but considering it glassed I doubt it.

: 5. Where do you get copper wire for stitching locally? Or online.

* Dont know about USA, I'm in Australia.

: Went down to Home Depot today and bought some 5.2mm lauan 4x8 panels. They
: had 3mm also, but this was in 3x7 panels, and looked crappy with voids.
: Thick stuff has no voids visible with light (but they may be discovered in
: cutting), thick core, really thin outer veneers light and "OK"
: looking on one side, dark and rougher on the other. It feels pretty heavy,
: but I've never held a full 4x8 of 4mm Okoume before so I can't judge. Ross
: Liedy recorded using 5mm lauan on his version of the Sea Kayaker S&G. He
: also commented that perhaps battleship gray paint was appropriate but I
: got the idea somehow that his boat came out around 50#, which I would
: consider acceptable--but I think I gleaned that from one photo caption
: which said 45# for the hull and deck and it wasn't finished.
: Ross, you around? How much did your boat weigh?

: If you don't think it's too heavy, what about in terms of bending? I *think*
: that if I build the boat with the paneled deck as designed, it should make
: those bends. Maybe some trouble with the bow and stern joins. But will I
: wind up with a 65# + boat? The four full sheets of wood are too cumbersome
: to hold at once, but just lifting the edge on four sheets is heavy. I'm
: not worried about it being a little bit troublesome to fit and stitch, if
: it works in the end, my primary concern is that it may just be too heavy.

*My boat is about 70Lb including bilge pump ,rudder etc,etc,I cant really feel the diffrence in the water ,but I've already put my back out once from lifting it the wrong way.A heavy boat will put you off a lot of short paddles,its just too much trouble.Please,do yourself a favor ,THINK LIGHT when building.

: If it is deemed usable then what does the collective say about maybe using
: all 4oz FG cloth instead of 6oz on the hull and deck with 4oz inside? I
: don't have a good feel for weights of cloth. The stuff in my previous kit
: was heavier for the hull than the deck. I *think* that was 4 and 6 ounce.
: Also, what about the structure of the composite sandwich? Aren't thicker
: softer cores more susceptible to puncture or dents and dings possibly
: compromising the skin? Should that be offset with heavier glass? How much
: weight does a glass job add anyway, roughly speaking? Is two layers of
: lighter cloth stronger than one layer of thicker?

*Maybe 2 x 4oz on hull may be lighter,I know you need less fill coats for 4oz than 6oz.Someone else out there in cyberspace may have done it, and can comment further .

My understanding is that
: most of the weight addition in glassing comes from epoxy. What do the
: ounce designations on the cloth mean? Is it 4oz a yard? Or 4 oz per sq.
: ft?
* 4oz per square yard.

: I'm planning to go to Raka for epoxy and cloth as many folks seem to be
: pleased with them and I have not found any cheaper prices. Speaking of
: which, do Raka's pumps work well or should I maybe think about using
: syringes and measuring cups?

*Never used Rakas pumps ,but broke both of mine and ended up with measuring cups.

: One more question: Where in the heck do you buy copper wire or other wire
: suitable for all this foolishness?

*Sorry dont know about the USA ,I'm in OZ.

*Hope this helps,look forward to seeing your pics -- Paul

: Thanks!
: TD

Messages In This Thread

Material: Few more questions re SK S&G build
Thomas Duncan -- 11/26/2004, 9:41 pm
Re: Material: Few more questions re SK S&G build
CFronzek -- 11/27/2004, 10:30 pm
Re: Material: Few more questions re SK S&G build
Thomas Duncan -- 11/28/2004, 8:15 pm
Re: Material: Few more questions re SK S&G build
CFronzek -- 11/28/2004, 9:16 pm
Re: Material: Few more questions re SK S&G build
thomas duncan -- 11/28/2004, 10:02 pm
Re: Material: Few more questions re SK S&G build
C. Fronzek -- 11/28/2004, 10:59 pm
Re: Material: Few more questions re SK S&G build
thomas duncan -- 11/28/2004, 9:59 pm
Re: Material: Few more questions re SK S&G build
Bris -- 11/27/2004, 9:18 pm
Re: Material: copper wire
Paul Sylvester -- 11/27/2004, 7:11 am
Re: Material: Few more questions re SK S&G build
Paul Jacob -- 11/27/2004, 12:24 am
Re: Material: Few more questions re SK S&G build
Robert N Pruden -- 11/27/2004, 5:25 am
Re: Material: Few more questions re SK S&G build
Paul -- 11/26/2004, 11:36 pm
Re: Material: Few more questions re SK S&G build
gerald -- 11/26/2004, 11:25 pm
Re: Material: Few more questions re SK S&G build
Barry Shelton -- 11/26/2004, 10:12 pm