Boat Building Forum

Find advice on all aspects of building your own kayak, canoe or any lightweight boats

Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
By:Bill Hamm
Date: 9/17/2007, 1:10 am
In Response To: Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited! (Harvey Golden)

: That's pretty old. So some must be newer then? Couldn't their condition be
: noted by observing any collapse inside of the hulls? If one shows no
: deformation (hull collaps, etc.), that's a pretty good indication of a
: kayak holding its shape. Intact kayaks could form a good basis for
: comparative studies I'd think. Is it possible for a 300 year old kayak to
: have maintained its original form?

: With regards to the Igdlorsuit kayak, it was only surveyed some four years
: after collection, so it wasn't likely deformed at all. Furthermore, a
: frame built by the same builder the same year was sent to Texas, and was
: never covered with skin or used-- it has held its shape perfectly, and is
: consistent in form with the other Igdlorsuit (Illorsuit) that folks are
: referring to.

: Nautical archaeologists would undoubtedly disagree with that. I've seen
: plenty of wooden boats less than 100 years old that have severely
: deformed. Plans or not, it is rare that a decaying boat will have such
: plans tucked away in its hull; one must know exactly what one is looking
: at in order to track down the plans. But your point is taken-- its a
: tougher task with skinboats. As in the field of nautical archaeology,
: comparative studies can be done as well as modelling (both in scale and
: full-size.) This does not "check" for changes, but does
: contribute considerably to the understanding of original forms. It isn't a
: black and white science by any means.

: Lots of them (Arctic Kayaks) are also pretty wide. There are many historic
: kayaks over 25" wide-- likely more than ones under 16" wide.
: Harvey

Unless a traditional skin boat was measured when it was still in use and I don't think any were, though I may be wrong on that, they are covered with animal hide and used in salt water. Removing a boat from that enviorment used in those waters will almost guarentee that it changes shape as the skin shrinks around a fairly light frame.

Still you can get ideas of several boats and get the general shape, though not really specific models exact lines.

Bill H.

Messages In This Thread

Other: Igdlorssuit revisited! *Pic*
Gennie -- 9/2/2007, 3:34 pm
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
Bill Hamm -- 9/13/2007, 2:43 am
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
Harvey Golden -- 9/16/2007, 1:29 am
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
Bill Hamm -- 9/16/2007, 3:15 am
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
Harvey Golden -- 9/16/2007, 12:37 pm
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
Bill Hamm -- 9/17/2007, 1:10 am
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
Ralph Cohn -- 9/17/2007, 7:07 pm
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
Bill Hamm -- 9/18/2007, 9:52 am
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
Harvey Golden -- 9/18/2007, 1:12 pm
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
Bill Hamm -- 9/18/2007, 6:36 pm
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
Bill Hamm -- 9/13/2007, 2:45 am
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
Toni V -- 9/13/2007, 3:41 am
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
Andy Waddington -- 9/13/2007, 8:46 am
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
Mike Hanks -- 9/4/2007, 3:28 am
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
Gennie -- 9/5/2007, 12:56 am
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
Toni V -- 9/11/2007, 7:31 am
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
Bryan Hansel -- 9/4/2007, 11:05 pm
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
Mike Hanks -- 9/5/2007, 1:33 am
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
Gennie -- 9/2/2007, 3:37 pm
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
Bryan Hansel -- 9/2/2007, 6:15 pm
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
Gennie -- 9/3/2007, 1:16 am
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
kelly t -- 9/2/2007, 5:28 pm
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited! *LINK* *Pic*
kelly t -- 9/2/2007, 6:02 pm
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
Bryan Hansel -- 9/2/2007, 6:17 pm
Re: Other: Igdlorssuit revisited!
kelly t -- 9/2/2007, 6:27 pm