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But could it be . . .
By:Paul G. Jacobson
Date: 1/31/2002, 10:33 pm
In Response To: It's not really blush ..... (Pete Rudie)

: ...I had a new Greenland paddle,
: saturated as per Rot Doc instructions 3 times wet-on-wet to rejection,
: which took about 1 hour. . . When immersed in the pool water, a slime
: developed that made the stick really slippery. It was totally unexpected.
: Ted Henry gave it a try and made the same observation.

Just a thought here. The "slime" you encountered may not have had anything to do with the chemistry of the epoxy component of the CPES. It may have been a reaction between the solvents in the CPES and oils in the wood.

Was your greenland paddle made of red cedar?

The soup of solvents that gets mixed up with the CPES has some characteristics which, from the descriptions I am reading, suggest that they might also dissolve the essential oils which are in woods like red cedar. Just as the solvents can soak into the wood and "drag along with them" the epoxy, why can't those same solvents 1) saturate the wood, 2)dissolve oils found in the wood 3) carry those thinned and dissolved oils along as the solvents go through the wood and 4) leave a film of those oils resting on the surface -- floating above the cured epoxy -- when the solvents evaporate.

We know that a final coat of polyester resin is frequently mixed with wax, styrene plastic and solvents, all of which float to the surface. The solvent evaporates leaving the styrene and/or wax behind to seal the polyester resin from air so it can cure. I'm wondering if something similar is happening with the CPES. I know some people wipe down red cedar with acetone before finishing it, or gluing it, in order to remove any oils on the surface, so if acetone is a part of the solvent mix in CPES ( and acetone is used as a solvent with other epoxies) then this may just be a case of the solvent moving the wood oils through the wood.

Anyhow, it's just a thought.

A bit of chemical investigation on the "scum" would tell us if it was blush or wood oils. Anyone get a chemistry set for Xmas?

PGJ

Messages In This Thread

Epoxy: To Evaporate and Blush or not to .....
Joe -- 1/30/2002, 8:20 pm
Re: Epoxy: To Evaporate and Blush or not to .....
Steve Smith -- 2/1/2002, 4:38 pm
Thank you Mr. Smith
Pete Rudie -- 2/1/2002, 5:52 pm
Re: Epoxy: To Evaporate and Blush or not to .....
Jim Chowning -- 2/1/2002, 10:40 am
Thanks for the answer
Pete Rudie -- 2/1/2002, 12:09 pm
Re: Thanks for the answer
Jim Chowning/The Rot doctor -- 2/1/2002, 12:55 pm
Re: Thanks for the answer
LeeG -- 2/1/2002, 1:41 pm
Re: Thanks for the answer
Jim Chowning/The Rot doctor -- 2/2/2002, 12:31 pm
Re: Thanks for the answer *Pic*
Pete Rudie -- 2/2/2002, 1:46 pm
Re: Epoxy: To Evaporate and Blush or not to .....
Severne -- 1/31/2002, 11:52 am
Just when things looked clear...
Pete Rudie -- 1/31/2002, 9:31 pm
Re: Just when things looked clear...
Joe -- 2/1/2002, 3:01 am
Re: you are a reasonable guy
LeeG -- 1/31/2002, 10:52 pm
Only 1/32" Penetration ???.....
Joe -- 1/31/2002, 2:40 pm
Re: Greater Penetration
Chip Sandresky -- 2/1/2002, 12:45 pm
Re: Only 1/32" Penetration ???.....
Pete Rudie -- 1/31/2002, 2:56 pm
Re: Only 1/32" Penetration ???.....
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 2/1/2002, 10:54 am
Good point. And it IS Softwood. *NM*
Joe -- 2/1/2002, 11:11 am
however
mike allen ---> -- 1/31/2002, 3:05 pm
Re: however
Jim Chowning/The Rot doctor -- 2/1/2002, 7:36 pm
Re: however
Pete Rudie -- 1/31/2002, 6:22 pm
Re: however
mike allen ---> -- 1/31/2002, 6:38 pm
I asked Dr.Rot to come and answer us HERE!
Joe -- 1/31/2002, 4:45 pm
Re: I asked Dr.Rot to come and answer us HERE!
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 2/1/2002, 10:49 am
Re: Only 1/32" Penetration ???.....
LeeG -- 1/31/2002, 3:01 pm
It's not really blush .....
Pete Rudie -- 1/31/2002, 1:40 am
But could it be . . .
Paul G. Jacobson -- 1/31/2002, 10:33 pm
Good point,
Pete Rudie -- 1/31/2002, 11:50 pm
MORE than fair. Thanks *NM*
Joe -- 1/31/2002, 7:31 pm
Re: It's not really blush .....
Joe -- 1/31/2002, 3:04 am
Re: It's not really blush .....
LeeG -- 1/31/2002, 3:27 am
Re: Pure Speculation...
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 1/31/2002, 9:02 am
Re: Pure Speculation...
Tom Johansen -- 1/31/2002, 5:53 pm
Re: Pure Speculation...
LeeG -- 1/31/2002, 8:31 pm
Re: Pure Speculation...
Jim Chowning/The Rot doctor -- 2/1/2002, 2:01 pm
Re: Pure Speculation...
LeeG -- 2/1/2002, 5:17 pm
No speculation here...
Pete Rudie -- 1/31/2002, 6:15 pm
Dr. Rot replies ....
Joe -- 1/31/2002, 7:01 pm
Re: immaculate speculation
LeeG -- 1/31/2002, 2:56 pm
Limitations
Pete Rudie -- 1/31/2002, 11:21 am
Re: Limitations
Jim Chowning/The Rot doctor -- 2/1/2002, 1:49 pm
Re: Limitations
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 1/31/2002, 12:59 pm
Re: More Speculation...
Shawn Baker -- 1/31/2002, 10:46 am
Solving solvent worries
Paul G. Jacobson -- 1/30/2002, 10:50 pm
Re: Solving solvent worries
Joe -- 1/31/2002, 1:12 am
Re: Solving solvent worries
Jim Chowning/The Rot doctor -- 2/1/2002, 1:16 pm
Re: Epoxy: To Evaporate and Blush or not to .....
LeeG -- 1/30/2002, 8:54 pm
Re: Epoxy: To Evaporate and Blush or not to .....
Joe -- 1/30/2002, 10:13 pm
Re: Epoxy: To Evaporate and Blush or not to .....
LeeG -- 1/30/2002, 11:17 pm
Re: Epoxy: Good questions
don -- 1/30/2002, 10:48 pm
Re: Epoxy: To Evaporate and Blush or not to .....
Jon Murray -- 1/30/2002, 10:35 pm