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Re: If I might explain beveling
By:Sam McFadden
Date: 2/7/2003, 11:17 pm
In Response To: Re: If I might explain beveling (Mike Loriz)

: Hey, Sam-

: I agree, with an important caveat: The failure will initiate and propogate
: through the wood IF the glue joint is a good one.

: From a wood technology standpoint, a good glue joint requires two things: a
: mechanically coplanar and fresh (not oxidized) surface, and 100-250 psi
: clamping pressure. So, if these conditions are met (B&C or planed edge),
: there will be a strong glue joint that will not fail prior to wood fiber
: failure.

: Clamping pressure is not a problem for strips : duct tape, bungees, whatever-
: it doesn't take much to develop 200 psi along a 1/4-1/8 inch thick piece
: of wood.

: But as far as B&C or planed joints, I'll revert to woodworking to analyze.
: When gluing up a table top or cutting board, a good way is with a freshly
: hand planed or machine jointed surface. Any alignment dowels or biscuits
: should not be glued, and the flat, planar surface will glue better than a
: tongue and groove or other fancy joint. The T&G prevents the generation of
: the clamping pressure (due to gaps) required for an optimum joint. (Glue
: does not have much strength across gaps) And, of course, it takes some
: mondo clamping to develop that pressure.

: This was also my experience with strips: due to tiny amounts of tearout while
: milling the B&C joints, I had more gaps than with the hand-planed edges.
: More gaps equals less strength.

: Of course, this is not important because epoxy and glass save the day.

: If, however, one desires to shift some of the structural resposibility for
: the boat's seaworthiness from glass to wood, then methinks that
: eliminating gaps might be a happy thing.
: Mike

Mike,

You’re right, if the glue line isn’t sound, then it doesn’t matter what the shape of the surface is. And I agree with your analysis based on sound wood working practice. So allow me to modify my previous post: When building a cedar strip boat, it doesn’t matter - C&B or plane edge, failure will propagate through the wood.

For folks like you, who use strong hardwoods, more attention to the wood bond lines may be a good idea. If one really wanted to get the most from a hardwood glue joint, slightly thickened epoxy would be a good choice. In that case, the joint geometry and clamping pressure would be of little importance.

Cheers,
Sam

Messages In This Thread

Strip: trouble with b&c routing
Pascal, in Chile -- 2/6/2003, 10:21 am
Re: Strip: trouble with b&c routing
David Hanson -- 2/6/2003, 4:40 pm
b&c vs bevel
mike allen -- 2/7/2003, 9:13 pm
Re: Strip: trouble with b&c routing
Mike Loriz -- 2/6/2003, 3:12 pm
Re: Strip: trouble with b&c routing *LINK* *Pic*
Kurt Loup, Baton Rouge -- 2/6/2003, 1:49 pm
Thanks everyone, this ought to work ... *LINK*
Pascal, in Chile -- 2/6/2003, 3:30 pm
Re: Thanks everyone, this ought to work ...
Kurt Loup, Baton Rouge -- 2/6/2003, 4:49 pm
Re: Strip: trouble with b&c routing
Paul J -- 2/6/2003, 1:40 pm
Re: Strip: trouble with b&c routing *Pic*
Chip Sandresky -- 2/6/2003, 12:18 pm
Re: Strip: trouble with b&c routing
Tim Eastman -- 2/6/2003, 1:04 pm
Re: Strip: trouble with b&c routing
Chip Sandresky -- 2/6/2003, 2:16 pm
Re: Strip: trouble with b&c routing
Kent LeBoutillier -- 2/6/2003, 11:39 am
Re: Strip: trouble with b&c routing
Tim Eastman -- 2/6/2003, 12:56 pm
Re: Strip: trouble with b&c routing
Kent LeBoutillier -- 2/7/2003, 6:22 am
My turn for a stupid question....
Bob Deutsch -- 2/7/2003, 12:06 pm
Re: My turn for a stupid question....
Kent LeBoutillier -- 2/7/2003, 9:42 pm
If I might explain beveling
Paul G. Jacobson -- 2/7/2003, 12:20 am
Re: If I might explain beveling
Bob Deutsch -- 2/7/2003, 4:29 am
Re: If I might explain beveling
Jack Sanderson -- 2/7/2003, 10:31 am
Thanks Sam & Jack! *NM*
Bob Deutsch -- 2/7/2003, 12:08 pm
Re: If I might explain beveling
Sam McFadden -- 2/7/2003, 10:30 am
Re: If I might explain beveling
Mike Loriz -- 2/7/2003, 7:57 pm
Re: If I might explain beveling
Sam McFadden -- 2/7/2003, 11:17 pm
Re: If I might explain beveling
Mark Normand -- 2/7/2003, 7:11 am
I second Tim's question...thanks Kent... *NM*
Bob Deutsch -- 2/6/2003, 3:19 pm
Re: I second Tim's question...thanks Kent...
Don Lucas -- 2/7/2003, 9:28 am