: Some kayaks' shapes will allow them to "carve" a turn (leaning
: actually makes the bow move right or left). Hard chines will make these
: kayaks carve harder than soft chines or no chines, but the simple presence
: of hard chines won't affect a leaned turn either way. (They can actually
: slow a leaned turn if they're in a position to do so)
Hmm, seems to me that there are two ways in which leaning a boat can make
turning happen more easily. One is the way Shawn describes in which a leaned
boat has a shortened waterline because more of the bow and stern comes out
of the water. This sort of shape makes the boat more responsive to a sweep
stroke and indeed, this is exactly the sort of stroke you would be using if
you wanted to get the boat to spin quickly.
The sort of turn which a hard chine helps with (assuming, as Shawn says, that
the chine is in the right place) is a knee hang whilst doing normal paddle
strokes, which gives you a carved turn (usually of a fairly large radius)
without breaking your paddling rhythm at all. Which way such a turn occurs
depends on the shape of the chine - you are basically using the chine a bit
like a curved keel - although it is a little more complex than this as other
aspects of the shape also contribute. Those used to highly rockered white
water boats find leaned/carved turns in a sea kayak a little counter-intuitive
since the shape of the chines means you need to lean outwards rather than
inwards. But I have recently seen an unusual (fibreglass) kayak whose chines
are very much parallel with the keel, such that it does carved turns the
other way - the chine reinforces the rocker (these turns work the same as
Shawn's description of "moving the bow right or left"). An interesting shape !
But, as Shawn says, the volume distribution is also important - a harder
chine will not necessarily give better carved turns. For example, my soft
chined fibreglass North Shore Mistral is more responsive to a knee hang than
my hybrid cormorant - although this is also more complex, as the cormorant
tracks much better than the Mistral when not leaned - the Mistral has a much
flatter keel line and responds more readily to a sweep stroke, too.
Andy
Andy
Messages In This Thread
- Launching: Hybrid qajariaq *Pic*
Dave Murphy -- 7/30/2003, 8:54 am- Re: Launching: Hybrid qajariaq
Roland -- 7/31/2003, 7:21 pm- Re: Launching: Hybrid qajariaq
Dave Murphy -- 8/1/2003, 8:20 am
- Re: Launching: Hybrid qajariaq
Bryan -- 7/30/2003, 11:41 pm- Re: Launching: Hybrid qajariaq
Steve Frederick -- 7/30/2003, 9:05 pm- Re: Launching: Hybrid qajariaq
Rob P -- 7/30/2003, 1:28 pm- I like it. Nice job. *NM*
Kurt Loup, Baton Rouge -- 7/30/2003, 11:30 am- Re: Launching: Hybrid qajariaq
Robert Mayrand -- 7/30/2003, 10:58 am- Re: Launching: Hybrid qajariaq
Dave Murphy -- 7/30/2003, 11:25 am
- Re: Launching: Hybrid qajariaq
srchr/gerald -- 7/30/2003, 10:14 am- Lean and Mean...A Real Beauty ! *NM*
Tom Yost -- 7/30/2003, 9:09 am- Profile pic *Pic*
Dave Murphy -- 7/30/2003, 8:57 am- Re: Profile pic
Shawn Baker -- 7/30/2003, 12:09 pm- Re: Profile pic
Bryan -- 7/30/2003, 11:40 pm- Re: leaned turning hypothesis
Shawn Baker -- 7/31/2003, 9:33 am- Re: leaned turning hypothesis *Pic*
Chip Sandresky -- 7/31/2003, 12:32 pm
- Re: leaned turning hypothesis *Pic*
- Re: Profile pic
srchr/gerald -- 7/30/2003, 4:45 pm- hard chines vs. leaned turns: not much correlation
Shawn Baker -- 7/30/2003, 4:52 pm- Re: hard chines vs. leaned turns
Andy Waddington -- 8/12/2003, 3:28 pm
- Re: hard chines vs. leaned turns
- Re: Profile pic
bob Kelim -- 7/30/2003, 12:52 pm- Re: Profile pic
Shawn Baker -- 7/30/2003, 1:08 pm- Re: Profile pic
bob Kelim -- 7/30/2003, 4:10 pm- Re: Profile pic
Dave Murphy -- 7/30/2003, 2:27 pm - Re: Profile pic
- Re: Profile pic
- Re: leaned turning hypothesis
- Re: Profile pic
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