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Re: The next step, then?
By:Shawn Baker
Date: 8/19/2003, 4:15 pm
In Response To: Re: The next step, then? (Pete Roszyk)

Pete,

Hmm..I'm seeing the same things. Thinking back on it, I've had about 4 failures, and if I remember correctly, there was water (humidity) present at least 3 times. I think the other time was epoxy that spent its first time (dry) in very hot sun.

Most things we build tend to get glassed, and this puts a thick enough barrier in place that we never see any moisture/heat problems. Our hooks are only epoxy-coated, and not as thick of barrier. Incidentally, I've seen pretty poor performance on epoxy-coated wood that isn't then varnished--even out of the sun.

I wonder if maple is a bad wood to use. It is such a dense, tightly-grained wood, I think very little epoxy saturates either edge or end grain, and the mechanical bond is fairly shallow. Anyone use mahogany hooks--any failures? Stacked ply like Ted is using seems to be a good solution--okoume might bond even better than birch (more open grain).

250 psi: I think Nick posted that in response to my mention that I had a failure in underlying redwood. Certainly we're having failures well below that with our hooks.

Shawn

: So, wait for the sucker to pop, then re-glue with CA?

: I'm sticking with my heat/humidity theory for now: The problem seems to go
: away when I re-coat with even a thin coat, as long as it finally appears
: glossy when it has hardened.

: My failures have been right at the wood/thickened epoxy boundary on the
: bottom of the hooks. No wood failure was evident. Each failed hook had at
: least a small area somewhere on the endgrain surface that was not glossy.
: I take that to be an unsealed spot, even though I have no scientific
: evidence; it just seems to be acting that way. There's no way I'm getting
: anywhere close to a 250 p.s.i. tension loading with my arrangement.

: Cheers,

: Pete,
: in Snohomish

Messages In This Thread

Epoxy: liddy hacthes
Sage -- 8/19/2003, 10:07 am
Re: Epoxy: liddy hacthes
John D. -- 8/19/2003, 3:06 pm
Re: Epoxy: liddy hacthes
Shawn Baker -- 8/19/2003, 12:02 pm
Re: Epoxy: liddy hacthes
Marcel R. in Portland, Or. -- 8/19/2003, 12:42 pm
Re: Epoxy: liddy hacthes
Shawn Baker -- 8/19/2003, 1:02 pm
Re: Epoxy: liddy hacthes
Ted Henry -- 8/19/2003, 2:11 pm
Re: Epoxy: liddy hacthes
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 8/19/2003, 2:10 pm
Re: Epoxy: liddy hacthes
Shawn Baker -- 8/19/2003, 3:56 pm
Re: The next step, then?
Pete Roszyk -- 8/19/2003, 3:54 pm
Re: The next step, then?
Sam McFadden -- 8/20/2003, 12:51 am
Re: New Style Hook *Pic*
Pete Roszyk -- 8/21/2003, 4:24 pm
Re: New Style Hook
Sam McFadden -- 8/21/2003, 11:29 pm
Re: New Style Hooks Tested To Failure *Pic*
Pete Roszyk -- 8/22/2003, 1:16 pm
Re: New Style Hooks Tested To Failure
Sam McFadden -- 8/23/2003, 11:07 am
Re: CEUS Compared to old
Pete Roszyk -- 8/22/2003, 8:57 pm
Re: The next step, then?
john -- 8/19/2003, 8:32 pm
Re: The next step, then?
Shawn Baker -- 8/19/2003, 4:15 pm
Re: The next step, then?
Don Beale -- 8/19/2003, 6:31 pm
Re: The next step, then?
Kurt Loup, Baton Rouge -- 8/19/2003, 5:31 pm
choice of goo?
Larry -- 8/19/2003, 5:46 pm
Re: The next step, then?
Sage -- 8/19/2003, 4:49 pm
Re: Hooks a'poppin
Pete Roszyk -- 8/19/2003, 12:41 pm