: and for those who prefer horizontal:
: http://www.kayakforum.com/cgi-bin/Building/indexh.cgi

: If you don't like the default configurations, please bookmark the above
: alternatives and use them instead.

And if, like me, you were brought up on Operating systems which have a single
click open-in-new-window, so always do so, you probably don't want frames at
all, so you can look at the URL of the left hand frame and just use that for
your whole window. I bookmark

http://www.kayakforum.com/cgi-bin/Building/index.cgi/index

etc. although I never use the bookmark 'cos I never ever close that window,
just click on "refresh" whenever needed. Some OS's just never need to be
rebooted :-)

Andy