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Re: Other: Newsflash for Tommy
By:Kris Buttermore
Date: 3/5/2008, 11:59 am
In Response To: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1 (Tommy)

Typical GPs (whatever that is) have similar blade areas and resistance to typical (whatever that is) euros. Cadence also is pretty similar.

There is a lot of variability - but taking the people who use smaller bladed GPs or prefer a higher cadence as the norm is a mistake.

Put simply, with no need for Latin: You've bought into some BS persistent misconceptions about GPs. I'm a bit surprised you didn't start talking about the mythical "low angle" stroke too. *L*

GPs vary in size and performance as much or more than euros - and allow as great a range of application (greater for many). Making them is pretty easy, making them well not quite so, and using them well that much more...

My first GP, and still a favorite, was an 88" Superior carbon. At the time I used a Werner San Juan - which is out of production but was a BIG blade euro (the Camano is that paddle scaled down to 85%). The surface areas of the blades of these paddles is nearly identical, as is the power available once you learn even fair GP technique.

The trick to GP is to drop euro habit and let it be a GP. That takes using one quite a bit. Using one like a euro, and compounding that error by using one that's poorly sized, and/or or poorly carved - and doing so only sporadically (and with a biased mind) - will have easily predictable results: Posts like yours spouting fallacies.

Also, in kayaks over 24" wide (includes all rec, WW, and Surf kayaks) don't even bother with GP (same goes for wing). Sure it will work, just not too well. Not what it was made for.

Kris

Messages In This Thread

Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Tommy -- 3/4/2008, 12:16 pm
Re: Myths keep dreams alive part 1.1
Bryan Hansel -- 3/7/2008, 8:22 pm
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Greg H -- 3/7/2008, 9:41 am
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Acors -- 3/6/2008, 10:00 am
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Bryan Hansel -- 3/6/2008, 9:22 am
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Bill Hamm -- 3/6/2008, 9:58 am
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Donovan -- 3/5/2008, 11:19 pm
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 3/10/2008, 9:02 am
Nah, can't be...
Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 3/10/2008, 9:03 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
John D. -- 3/5/2008, 3:09 pm
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
John Monroe -- 3/6/2008, 7:23 am
Re: Other: Newsflash for Tommy
Kris Buttermore -- 3/5/2008, 11:59 am
Re: Other: Newsflash for Tommy
Bill Hamm -- 3/6/2008, 12:52 am
Re: Other: Newsflash for Tommy
Kris Buttermore -- 3/6/2008, 2:14 am
Re: Other: Newsflash for Tommy
Bill Hamm -- 3/6/2008, 9:55 am
Re: Skip the BS, Here's A Question
Mike Scarborough -- 3/5/2008, 9:50 am
Maybe Here's An Answer
Paul G. Jacobson -- 3/7/2008, 4:50 pm
Re: Antique paddles
Mike Scarborough -- 3/8/2008, 9:25 am
Re: Skip the BS, Here's A Question *Pic*
Aaron H -- 3/5/2008, 1:18 pm
Also look at Umiak oars.
Kris Buttermore -- 3/5/2008, 11:31 pm
Re: Also look at Umiak oars.
Mike Scarborough -- 3/6/2008, 8:54 am
Re: Also look at Umiak oars.
Mike Savage -- 3/6/2008, 10:35 am
Re: If I Read You Right
Mike Scarborough -- 3/6/2008, 11:46 am
Re: If I Read You Right
Mike Savage -- 3/6/2008, 2:32 pm
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Etienne Muller - Ireland -- 3/5/2008, 5:35 am
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Bill Hamm -- 3/6/2008, 12:46 am
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Etienne Muller - Ireland -- 3/6/2008, 1:07 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 3/6/2008, 4:03 pm
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1 *Pic*
Etienne Muller - Ireland -- 3/7/2008, 10:47 am
New t-shirt design for determined paddler! *NM*
Charles Leach -- 3/8/2008, 8:08 am
Re: New t-shirt design for determined paddler! *Pic*
Etienne Muller - Ireland -- 3/8/2008, 1:12 pm
Re: New t-shirt design for determined paddler!
Bill Hamm -- 3/9/2008, 1:48 am
New Paddling Group: The Dustbin Lid Paddlers
Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 3/10/2008, 8:57 am
Re: New t-shirt design for determined paddler!
Mike Scarborough -- 3/8/2008, 1:56 pm
Re: New t-shirt design for determined paddler!
Etienne Muller - Ireland -- 3/11/2008, 7:11 am
Re: Seconded *NM*
Mike Scarborough -- 3/8/2008, 9:13 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Todd Sullivan------WebKitFormBoundaryrBPL64w206cse -- 3/5/2008, 8:16 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1 *Pic*
Etienne Muller - Ireland -- 3/7/2008, 11:50 am
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Bill Hamm -- 3/7/2008, 5:56 pm
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Mike Savage -- 3/5/2008, 8:33 am
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Etienne Muller - Ireland -- 3/5/2008, 9:14 am
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Robert N Pruden -- 3/5/2008, 7:26 pm
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Mike Savage -- 3/5/2008, 11:52 am
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Alex Ferguson -- 3/5/2008, 3:51 am
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Chris Ostlind -- 3/5/2008, 8:33 am
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John Monroe -- 3/6/2008, 6:55 am
Wow! That's what I get for not being online much..
Robert N Pruden -- 3/5/2008, 7:23 pm
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Scott Shurlow -- 3/5/2008, 6:46 am
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Bill Hamm -- 3/5/2008, 4:51 am
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Alex Ferguson -- 3/6/2008, 5:28 am
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John D. -- 3/5/2008, 7:45 pm
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Alex Ferguson -- 3/6/2008, 5:35 am
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Bill Hamm -- 3/6/2008, 12:44 am
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John D. -- 3/6/2008, 4:41 pm
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Mike Savage -- 3/6/2008, 5:54 am
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Bill Hamm -- 3/6/2008, 9:50 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Kris Buttermore -- 3/6/2008, 2:04 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Bill Hamm -- 3/9/2008, 7:53 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Bill Hamm -- 3/9/2008, 7:51 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Kris Buttermore -- 3/11/2008, 11:10 pm
so when is that singularity?
LeeG -- 3/5/2008, 1:14 am
Uh, Tommy?
Greg Fojtik -- 3/4/2008, 10:55 pm
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Paul G. Jacobson -- 3/4/2008, 9:53 pm
Gee. I can't wait for part II :) *NM*
Paul G. Jacobson -- 3/4/2008, 9:38 pm
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Mike Savage -- 3/4/2008, 5:33 pm
Classic Cabin Fever! *NM*
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon CC&K -- 3/4/2008, 4:44 pm
Someone pee in your cornflakes this morning?? *NM*
Kudzu -- 3/4/2008, 1:49 pm
Ad hominem dressed in reductio clothing
Pozamua -- 3/4/2008, 1:37 pm
Re: Ad hominem dressed in reductio clothing
Robert N Pruden -- 3/5/2008, 7:16 pm
Re: Ad hominem dressed in reductio clothing
Bryan Hansel -- 3/6/2008, 9:25 am
Re: Ad hominem dressed in reductio clothing
Robert N Pruden -- 3/6/2008, 6:25 pm
Incorrect interpretation of intent
Tommy -- 3/4/2008, 3:40 pm
It seems you intended to be a jerk
Brian Nystrom -- 3/5/2008, 8:55 am
Re: Incorrect interpretation of intent
LeeG -- 3/5/2008, 1:17 am
Re: Incorrect interpretation of intent
Pozamua -- 3/4/2008, 4:18 pm