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Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
By:Bill Hamm
Date: 3/9/2008, 7:51 am
In Response To: Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1 (Kris Buttermore)

: Your GP - with your technique. Not true for others.

: I also have all three types, plus Aleut, and a type no one here has tried
: that's a hybrid of Aleut, GP, and Wing and is used with a full on wing
: stroke (damn sweet paddle).

: I rarely make such bold or absolute statements as the following, but anyone
: with flutter issues with any stroke with GP (or any paddle for that
: matter) has technique issues. 2 minutes on water with you would both prove
: this and end it.

: Flutter - or alternating load shedding - is a result of a sloppy application
: of attack angles and/or overpowering paddle blades while accelerating at
: lower speeds (I've yet to hear of a case of flutter over 5 knots!). There
: are several small technique tweaks and "tricks" that are very
: natural, and a bit different with each paddle type, and once found you'll
: never have flutter issues again with any paddle.

: For wing stroke with a GP, the natural cant from a grip mostly on the blade
: roots takes care of the attack angle with no conscious effort. Stroke is a
: "modified wing stroke" due to closer hand spacing. With a euro,
: you need to make sure the blade is climbing a bit through the stroke. The
: wing paddle does this automatically.

I've been purposefully not replying to this, but maybe I have to. I thought we all were here to help each other out, not to win at all costs. Perhaps I was wrong.

Bill H.

Messages In This Thread

Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Tommy -- 3/4/2008, 12:16 pm
Re: Myths keep dreams alive part 1.1
Bryan Hansel -- 3/7/2008, 8:22 pm
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Greg H -- 3/7/2008, 9:41 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Acors -- 3/6/2008, 10:00 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Bryan Hansel -- 3/6/2008, 9:22 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Bill Hamm -- 3/6/2008, 9:58 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Donovan -- 3/5/2008, 11:19 pm
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 3/10/2008, 9:02 am
Nah, can't be...
Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 3/10/2008, 9:03 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
John D. -- 3/5/2008, 3:09 pm
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
John Monroe -- 3/6/2008, 7:23 am
Re: Other: Newsflash for Tommy
Kris Buttermore -- 3/5/2008, 11:59 am
Re: Other: Newsflash for Tommy
Bill Hamm -- 3/6/2008, 12:52 am
Re: Other: Newsflash for Tommy
Kris Buttermore -- 3/6/2008, 2:14 am
Re: Other: Newsflash for Tommy
Bill Hamm -- 3/6/2008, 9:55 am
Re: Skip the BS, Here's A Question
Mike Scarborough -- 3/5/2008, 9:50 am
Maybe Here's An Answer
Paul G. Jacobson -- 3/7/2008, 4:50 pm
Re: Antique paddles
Mike Scarborough -- 3/8/2008, 9:25 am
Re: Skip the BS, Here's A Question *Pic*
Aaron H -- 3/5/2008, 1:18 pm
Also look at Umiak oars.
Kris Buttermore -- 3/5/2008, 11:31 pm
Re: Also look at Umiak oars.
Mike Scarborough -- 3/6/2008, 8:54 am
Re: Also look at Umiak oars.
Mike Savage -- 3/6/2008, 10:35 am
Re: If I Read You Right
Mike Scarborough -- 3/6/2008, 11:46 am
Re: If I Read You Right
Mike Savage -- 3/6/2008, 2:32 pm
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Etienne Muller - Ireland -- 3/5/2008, 5:35 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Bill Hamm -- 3/6/2008, 12:46 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Etienne Muller - Ireland -- 3/6/2008, 1:07 pm
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Bill Hamm -- 3/6/2008, 4:03 pm
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1 *Pic*
Etienne Muller - Ireland -- 3/7/2008, 10:47 am
New t-shirt design for determined paddler! *NM*
Charles Leach -- 3/8/2008, 8:08 am
Re: New t-shirt design for determined paddler! *Pic*
Etienne Muller - Ireland -- 3/8/2008, 1:12 pm
Re: New t-shirt design for determined paddler!
Bill Hamm -- 3/9/2008, 1:48 am
New Paddling Group: The Dustbin Lid Paddlers
Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 3/10/2008, 8:57 am
Re: New t-shirt design for determined paddler!
Mike Scarborough -- 3/8/2008, 1:56 pm
Re: New t-shirt design for determined paddler!
Etienne Muller - Ireland -- 3/11/2008, 7:11 am
Re: Seconded *NM*
Mike Scarborough -- 3/8/2008, 9:13 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Todd Sullivan------WebKitFormBoundaryrBPL64w206cse -- 3/5/2008, 8:16 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1 *Pic*
Etienne Muller - Ireland -- 3/7/2008, 11:50 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Bill Hamm -- 3/7/2008, 5:56 pm
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Mike Savage -- 3/5/2008, 8:33 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Etienne Muller - Ireland -- 3/5/2008, 9:14 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Robert N Pruden -- 3/5/2008, 7:26 pm
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Mike Savage -- 3/5/2008, 11:52 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Alex Ferguson -- 3/5/2008, 3:51 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Chris Ostlind -- 3/5/2008, 8:33 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
John Monroe -- 3/6/2008, 6:55 am
Wow! That's what I get for not being online much..
Robert N Pruden -- 3/5/2008, 7:23 pm
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Scott Shurlow -- 3/5/2008, 6:46 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Bill Hamm -- 3/5/2008, 4:51 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Alex Ferguson -- 3/6/2008, 5:28 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
John D. -- 3/5/2008, 7:45 pm
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Alex Ferguson -- 3/6/2008, 5:35 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Bill Hamm -- 3/6/2008, 12:44 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
John D. -- 3/6/2008, 4:41 pm
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Mike Savage -- 3/6/2008, 5:54 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Bill Hamm -- 3/6/2008, 9:50 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Kris Buttermore -- 3/6/2008, 2:04 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Bill Hamm -- 3/9/2008, 7:53 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Bill Hamm -- 3/9/2008, 7:51 am
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Kris Buttermore -- 3/11/2008, 11:10 pm
so when is that singularity?
LeeG -- 3/5/2008, 1:14 am
Uh, Tommy?
Greg Fojtik -- 3/4/2008, 10:55 pm
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Paul G. Jacobson -- 3/4/2008, 9:53 pm
Gee. I can't wait for part II :) *NM*
Paul G. Jacobson -- 3/4/2008, 9:38 pm
Re: Other: Myths keep dreams alive part 1
Mike Savage -- 3/4/2008, 5:33 pm
Classic Cabin Fever! *NM*
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon CC&K -- 3/4/2008, 4:44 pm
Someone pee in your cornflakes this morning?? *NM*
Kudzu -- 3/4/2008, 1:49 pm
Ad hominem dressed in reductio clothing
Pozamua -- 3/4/2008, 1:37 pm
Re: Ad hominem dressed in reductio clothing
Robert N Pruden -- 3/5/2008, 7:16 pm
Re: Ad hominem dressed in reductio clothing
Bryan Hansel -- 3/6/2008, 9:25 am
Re: Ad hominem dressed in reductio clothing
Robert N Pruden -- 3/6/2008, 6:25 pm
Incorrect interpretation of intent
Tommy -- 3/4/2008, 3:40 pm
It seems you intended to be a jerk
Brian Nystrom -- 3/5/2008, 8:55 am
Re: Incorrect interpretation of intent
LeeG -- 3/5/2008, 1:17 am
Re: Incorrect interpretation of intent
Pozamua -- 3/4/2008, 4:18 pm