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Re: Ideas on Scaling a 40' Canoe
By:Reg Lake
Date: 9/6/2008, 2:03 am
In Response To: Ideas on Scaling a 40' Canoe (mike allen)

Hi Mick,
Not sure about the mouse and CAD stuff but I do like the concept of the drafting arm for making transfers. The thing is, I have already done the time consuming disc transfers unto hardboard and back to paper. I took it one step further and folded those in half, cut to a mean so they are symetrical. I am to the point where I have a full size pattern and a 70% pattern printed. They are just a little rough compared to computer generated plans. Those small variations on paper are going to represent a lot of sanding so I will need to clean up the plans or the stations. Probably the stations. I am really close and want to start making stations next week. The middle stations mirror like 10,11 and 9,12 so I can choose the truest of each pair on those.

I did take Prasad's advice (thanks Prasad) and downloaded the HULLS program. I need to spend a little time with that to even know if I should be considering that route. Between HULLS, DELFTSHIP, FREESHIP, and KAYAK FOUNDRY, which is prefered for simplicity and would still accomplish the task of printable stations?

Anyway, I have lots to think about over the weekend and will decide early next week. Making the 1/8 scale model would give me some answers.

Thanks,

Reg

: I think for what you're used to, that you should just proceed as you were and
: make station accommodations to your practiced eye. However the disc
: approach, tho' elegant, is a 2 step process of which the 2nd step takes
: lots of time cutting out the hardbd profiles - so if you can get your
: hands on an old arm drafter or parallel rule, the whole process would be
: way quicker and direct with only one step. (i keep kicking myself as i saw
: a great arm drafter in a thrift store for $10 a few yrs ago)

: as most mice now are optical and only need a flat surface, i think it would
: be interesting to take the depth and width at a station and then clip the
: mouse on the end of the drafter rule or parallel rule and just see what
: shape shows up in a CAD program. It would be most interesting to see what
: if there were vertical and horizontal difference or to see if the relative
: difference (if any) is consistent.

: if there was consistency, then you could directly input into digital form.
: you would still have to organize the output and place the forms in
: relative virtual space, but a huge intitial digital step would have taken
: place.

: at that stage, the overall shape from those forms would have to be faired and
: then new stations taken for the faired boat - and that is not a trivial
: job if you're going to try and do it first time..

: (I don't know about delftship, but the related freeship 2.6 up to 2.97
: imports background images fairly crudely (and with bugs) and aside from
: endpoints, rounded station shaping is indirect.)

: and returning to the simplified hand approach - your 'fairing' will likely be
: by overlaying all the section/form profiles and redrawing those outa
: whack. To then get the 70% size (or any overall or differing horizontal to
: vertical proportion - bigger or smaller) just send the drawing to a print
: shop for them to reduce/adjust. This is a simple inexpensive procedure and
: wont cost much more that just the print itself.

: if it was me, i'd order a 1/8 scale printout as well and make a model for
: your own personal record.

: mick

Messages In This Thread

Strip: Scaling a 40' Canoe
Reg Lake -- 9/5/2008, 6:13 pm
8' model of 40' Canoe *Pic*
Reg Lake -- 9/27/2008, 11:37 pm
Re: 8' model of 40' Canoe
Toni V -- 9/29/2008, 3:47 pm
Re: 8' model of 40' Canoe
Reg Lake -- 9/29/2008, 5:23 pm
40 ft Canoe?
Jay Babina -- 9/29/2008, 2:33 pm
Re: 40 ft Canoe? *LINK* *Pic*
Reg Lake -- 9/29/2008, 4:53 pm
Re: 40 ft Canoe?
Pawistik -- 9/29/2008, 6:15 pm
Re: 40 ft Canoe?
Bill Hamm -- 9/30/2008, 10:01 am
Re: Strip: Scaling a 40' Canoe *LINK*
Sam McFadden -- 9/8/2008, 9:26 pm
Re: Strip: Scaling a 40' Canoe
Reg Lake -- 9/9/2008, 11:58 am
Re: Strip: Scaling a 40' Canoe
Prasad Bhatla -- 9/7/2008, 10:58 am
Re: I hate it when . . .
Mike Scarborough -- 9/6/2008, 10:30 am
Thanks all, I now have a plan.
Reg Lake -- 9/8/2008, 1:48 pm
Drawings scaled ok. 8' model came out fair. *Pic*
Reg Lake -- 9/11/2008, 4:08 pm
Re: Thanks all, I now have a plan.
Bryan Hansel -- 9/8/2008, 10:16 pm
Re: Thanks all, I now have a plan.
mike allen -- 9/8/2008, 11:41 pm
Re: Thanks all, I now have a plan.
Bryan Hansel -- 9/8/2008, 11:53 pm
Re: Thanks all, I now have a plan.
mike allen -- 9/9/2008, 4:05 am
Re: Thanks all, I now have a plan.
Bryan Hansel -- 9/9/2008, 4:12 pm
Re: Thanks all, I now have a plan.
mike allen -- 9/9/2008, 11:38 pm
Freeship 2.6 It Is.
Reg Lake -- 9/9/2008, 1:33 pm
Re: Thanks all, I now have a plan.
Mike Savage -- 9/8/2008, 7:28 pm
Re: Strip: Scaling a 40' Canoe
Bryan Hansel -- 9/5/2008, 6:50 pm
Re: Strip: Scaling a 40' Canoe
Reg Lake -- 9/5/2008, 8:12 pm
Re: Strip: Scaling a 40' Canoe
mike allen -- 9/6/2008, 5:04 pm
Ideas on Scaling a 40' Canoe
mike allen -- 9/6/2008, 12:09 am
Re: Ideas on Scaling a 40' Canoe
Reg Lake -- 9/6/2008, 2:03 am
Re: Ideas on Scaling a 40' Canoe
Bryan Hansel -- 9/6/2008, 6:52 pm
Re: Ideas on Scaling drawings
Paul G. Jacobson -- 9/6/2008, 3:05 am
Re: Ideas on Scaling a 40' Canoe
mike allen -- 9/6/2008, 2:20 am
Re: Strip: Scaling a 40' Canoe
Prasad Bhatla -- 9/5/2008, 10:09 pm
Re: Strip: Scaling a 40' Canoe
Mike Savage -- 9/5/2008, 6:45 pm