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Re: Launching: Kayak Cart
By:Dominic Mickelson
Date: 3/25/2009, 2:37 pm
In Response To: Re: Launching: Kayak Cart (Kyle T)

: Hi Dominic,

: I'll tell you first that I have built several versions of the ‘worlds best
: kayak cart’ so I know from experience what doesn’t work well. ;-)

: At first glance I can tell that this cart has not been made yet or if it has
: it is not like the view in the ‘sales sheet’ in the link. That model has
: no means of lateral support and the three hinged cross members will let it
: fall to either side as soon as it is assembled. I suppose it is possible
: the make the ends of the cross members have stops so that they can not
: rotate past 90 degrees but the view doesn’t show that. Those types of
: stops are also not particularly durable either. You could also add a
: diagonal brace that has to be removed before it is colapsed.

: Given that you have that problem solved I once made a cart that had the
: wheels directly under the center of the platform like this design. It was
: at best difficult to load the kayak onto the platform without help because
: you have to hold the kayak up and the cart vertical all while strapping
: the cart to the kayak.

: My cart also had a problem that the cart would try to twist every time one of
: the wheels hit a bump when the other didn’t. The best carts are set up so
: that the wheels are offset well behind the centerline of the cart.

: Stainless steel would probably a lot heavier than what I would find
: acceptable also.

: I hope this helps but I guess this is more than you asked for. You know what
: they say about opinions and you did ask.

: Kyle T

Kyle,

Thank you for your response. I appreciate it.

1) The cart has been made and yes, there have been some revisions since the engineering cad drawings that address strength issues.

2)Actually, there is lateral support. I am not sure where you think there is not.

3)Further, the center stops are all that are needed to prevent the tubes from over extending. I tested in aluminum first, but the tube actually failed before the stops did. Thus, the decision to go to stainless.

4) Acceptable weight is alway subjective. When I bought one of the Paddleboy designs it claimed to weight 6 lbs, but actually weighed in at 11 lbs. This was because of the changes in tires I would imagine over the years. So while the frame might be light, the tires can be heavy. Also, in a previous life I spent 12 months working on tire weights to reduce overall weight of several finished goods.

5) Offset tires is a nice idea and I can incorporate that into my design. I suppose you are familiar with the bump test designed by Sears/Craftsman to test tire wear, axle wear, and rigidity of design?

Thanks,
Dominic

Messages In This Thread

Launching: Kayak Cart *LINK*
Dominic Mickelson -- 3/25/2009, 12:43 pm
Re: Launching: Kayak Cart
Dominic Mickelson -- 3/25/2009, 2:46 pm
ADMIN! Re: Launching: Kayak Cart
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 3/26/2009, 8:53 am
Thanks for that! *NM*
Dave Gentry -- 3/26/2009, 11:30 am
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Kyle T -- 3/25/2009, 2:20 pm
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Dominic Mickelson -- 4/17/2009, 9:21 am
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Bill Hamm -- 4/17/2009, 10:39 am
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Brian Nystrom -- 3/26/2009, 8:43 am
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Dominic Mickelson -- 3/26/2009, 11:56 am
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Dominic Mickelson -- 3/25/2009, 2:37 pm
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Harvey Golden -- 3/25/2009, 1:07 pm
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PatrickC -- 3/25/2009, 7:23 pm
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Will Clarke -- 3/25/2009, 9:28 pm
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Harvey Golden -- 3/25/2009, 8:23 pm
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Dominic Mickelson -- 3/25/2009, 1:15 pm