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Re: Other: stability with speed *LINK*
By:Johnathan Akers
Date: 9/3/2009, 11:43 am
In Response To: Other: stability with speed (Bill Hamm)

: When a kayak is in motion it gains stability, anyone that's paddled a
: skinny kayak knows this, they are much more stable once moving than
: they are sitting at rest. Trying to figure out why this is, is the
: question.

Bill~

I am far from a designer, nor do I know a great deal about fluid dynamics, but I will try and give my take. My first thought when reading your question was Newton's first law of motion: "every object in a uniform state of motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it."

Now, certainly their are a great deal amount of forces acting on a kayak in motion, however when paddling forward, the overall momentum of the paddler and kayak is in the forward direction. This i am sure has a great deal to do with why the kayak "feels" more stable. Think about a bicycle (or motorcycle, but bicycles have less mass), at rest they are very unstable, to the point that balancing one at rest is considered a trick by many. However, once moving in the forward direction a bicycle becomes EXTREMELY stable.

Eventually, if a bicycle reaches a high enough speed, it begins to become unstable again (the small forces which were previously of no effect now become a problem). I would think that a kayak would show a similar problem if we would be able to power it to a much higher speed. Its stability would be lost and again the smallest of waves could disrupt the boat and paddler staying upright.

I am not sure if the various surface modeling programs show stability at speed. I know the attempts to model the stability of bicycles in motion have been a number of fun post-graduate studies, and a kayak would have to be more difficult... Just my two pence. I've attached a link to a cool video showing stability of a bicycle in motion (being knocked and righting itself)~

~Johnathan

Messages In This Thread

Other: stability with speed
Bill Hamm -- 9/3/2009, 10:35 am
Hull pressure does it, Bill
Robert N Pruden -- 9/9/2009, 7:06 pm
Re: Hull pressure does it, Bill
Bill Hamm -- 9/10/2009, 10:19 am
Re: Hull pressure does it, Bill
Robert N Pruden -- 9/10/2009, 10:30 pm
Re: Hull pressure does it, Bill
Bill Hamm -- 9/11/2009, 9:07 am
Re: Other: stability with speed
Drifter -- 9/5/2009, 7:33 am
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Bill Hamm -- 9/6/2009, 12:21 am
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Toni V -- 9/4/2009, 6:40 am
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Craig Robinson -- 9/7/2009, 5:30 am
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Bill Hamm -- 9/8/2009, 12:37 am
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DMonteith -- 9/3/2009, 12:06 pm
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Jeff Schaber -- 9/3/2009, 1:40 pm
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Allan -- 9/4/2009, 8:24 am
Re: Other: stability with speed
frankp -- 9/3/2009, 3:19 pm
Re: Other: stability with speed *LINK*
Johnathan Akers -- 9/3/2009, 11:43 am
Re: Other: stability with speed
johne -- 9/3/2009, 12:04 pm
Re: Other: stability with speed
Johnathan Akers -- 9/3/2009, 1:21 pm