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Re: Skin-on-Frame: Advice on adhesive?
By:Bill Hamm
Date: 6/12/2010, 7:10 am
In Response To: Re: Skin-on-Frame: Advice on adhesive? (Mike Hanks)

: I do understand that. I just mentioned traditional because it shows
: the strength of lashing alone. FWIW, I'm finishing the frame of
: my second Yost Kidarka today. I lashed almost every joint, All
: are glued with plain Elmers waterproof yellow glue, and I've
: pegged some joints, but I don't like pegging into the edge of
: thin plywood, I'd rather lash and glue. I've also done a could
: of scaled down Yost Sea Fleas, a Yost construction inspired
: Igdlorssuit, a few Putz truss constructed kayaks, and a few more
: traditionally build skin on fram kayaks. I've used screws, pegs,
: thickened epoxy, polyurethane glue, plain yellow glue, and
: lashing. Based on my experiences, I prefer lashed joints. I have
: had joint failures on all methods of joints, except lashing. No
: failures have been catestrophic, but I have had misc, pieces of
: wood come loose, on my kayaks as they get old, but never a
: lashed piece. I even had a rack failure where a traditional sof
: and a plywood and glass kayak came off my roof a about 60 mph.
: They were both still attached to the rack so they hit the road
: together. The plywood kayak was busted up quite badly, but the
: lashed sof only suffered minor skin damage. Lashed joints are
: very strong.

Not saying that lashed joints arn't strong. Doing it for a traditional boat to me makes sense, the boat is traditional and it's worked for literally thousands of years. Though the traditional boats were recovered frequently in the northern climes so any loose joints could be looked at too.

I don't like lashed joints alone because of the issue of the wood working against bare wood, eventually something will fail, might be years but it'll happen. If they are glued and lashed, problem eliminated.

I'm planning on, when time presents itself, geez maybe winter, doing a traditional SOF with steam bent ribs and all, been wanting to do one for years, just not had the time. Might do a SOF version of my NDK Greenlander, always have loved that design and would be nice to have one that doesn't weight 100 lbs (kidding, but not much).

Bill H.

Bill H.

Messages In This Thread

Skin-on-Frame: Advice on adhesive?
Matt Swier -- 6/10/2010, 7:14 pm
bald men splitting hairs?
Paul G. Jacobson -- 6/11/2010, 1:33 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Advice on adhesive?
Aaron H -- 6/11/2010, 8:54 am
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Dave Gentry -- 6/11/2010, 7:54 am
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Brian Nystrom -- 6/13/2010, 1:14 am
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Mike Bielski -- 6/11/2010, 8:34 am
Ditto
Kudzu -- 6/11/2010, 8:14 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Advice on adhesive?
Jay Babina -- 6/11/2010, 7:42 am
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Bill Hamm -- 6/11/2010, 8:24 am
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Mike Bielski -- 6/11/2010, 12:47 am
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Mike Hanks -- 6/11/2010, 1:46 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Advice on adhesive?
Bill Hamm -- 6/11/2010, 8:39 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Advice on adhesive?
Mike Hanks -- 6/11/2010, 9:08 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Advice on adhesive?
Bill Hamm -- 6/12/2010, 7:10 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Advice on adhesive?
Bill Hamm -- 6/10/2010, 10:01 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Advice on adhesive?
Paul Montgomery -- 6/10/2010, 9:18 pm