Hi all,
After 3 months of work I'm finally laying my first strips on a Fire Star.
I quite literally found it impossible to find full-length lumber. Local, internet, you name it. There was one possibility that would have doubled the cost of the project.
So, I decided to scarf boards together as suggested in Rob's plans. Built the jig, and also built a clamp jig to hold them square and tight while drying. Did a couple boards at an 8:1 scarf. Glued them up with TB III and let them dry for a week.
As soon as I picked them up they broke at the joints. All of them. The one that didn't break, when I ran it through the table sw each individual strip broke as it came off.
After much searching, I figured butt joints would have to do. To my (admittedly faulted) logic, the end result is the same product.
Sidebar: when I design and build things there are always compromises. As a matter of habit I generally try to turn my compromises into "design elements".
One idea I had for a design element would involve lining up all of my butt joints in a line from shear down about 4". My (admittedly faulted) logic tells me this is not a good idea for structural reasons. A little voice also tells me that most of my strength comes from glass.
Question #1: Will lining up these butt joints create a weak "seam" in the finished kayak? Like, will it break in half when I pick it up? Strap it to a car?
I laid my sheer line to see what it looked like. I like it. What I did was cut several 2" pieces of strip and (permanently) glued them to the back of the butt joint. I can either sand these off or leave them in place and glass over them. Question #2: Thoughts? Leave in place? Sand off? Will they actually do anything to reinforce the joint? I rounded off the corners so they look like little pills and I think I could live with them in the finished boat if they do actually do anything.
Like I said the line of butt joints will be from the sheer line about 4" down. There will be hardwood pinstripes running between the butt-jointed strips. No more than 3 butt joints will be lined up without a hardwood pinstripe between them. Does this help any?
Anyone have any thoughts? Bill, I know you have no issues with butt joints. Rob, it's your kayak and I know you DO have a problem with butt joints. Anyone feel like chiming in? I don't want to do anything that will compromise the integirty of my kayak.
Thank you,
Darel
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- Strip: Butt joint issues?
Darel -- 12/28/2010, 10:03 pm- joints of many kinds *PIC*
Paul G. Jacobson -- 1/2/2011, 12:02 pm- Re: Strip: Butt joint issues?
Fred Gasper -- 12/30/2010, 7:57 am- Re: Strip: Butt joint issues?
Paul G. Jacobson -- 12/30/2010, 11:54 am
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G New -- 12/29/2010, 8:07 pm- Re: Strip: Butt joint issues?
Eric -- 12/29/2010, 7:14 pm- Re: Strip: Butt joint issues?
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon CC&K -- 12/29/2010, 2:16 pm- Re: Strip: Butt joint issues?
Dean -- 12/29/2010, 12:40 pm- Re: Strip: Butt joint issues?
Joy -- 12/29/2010, 9:43 am- Butt joints NOT over forms are bad
Paul G. Jacobson -- 12/29/2010, 1:43 pm- Re: Butt joints NOT over forms are bad
Al Edie -- 12/30/2010, 12:06 pm- Re: Butt joints NOT over forms are bad
Bill Hamm -- 12/30/2010, 1:48 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 12/29/2010, 3:02 pm - Re: Butt joints NOT over forms are bad
- Re: Strip: Butt joint issues?
Randy Echtinaw -- 12/29/2010, 10:56 am- Re: Strip: Butt joint issues? *PIC*
Joy -- 12/29/2010, 10:09 am - Re: Butt joints NOT over forms are bad
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Bill Hamm -- 12/29/2010, 8:28 am- Butt joint boards or strips? *PIC*
Jay Babina -- 12/29/2010, 8:19 am- Re: Butt joint boards or strips?
Bill Hamm -- 12/29/2010, 8:30 am
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Bill Hamm -- 12/29/2010, 8:07 am- Re: Strip: Butt joint issues?
Les Cheeseman -- 12/29/2010, 5:03 am- Re: Strip: Butt joint issues?
Randy Echtinaw -- 12/29/2010, 7:00 am- Re: Strip: Butt joint issues?
Darel -- 12/29/2010, 5:36 am- Still got that bottle of glue?
Paul G. Jacobson -- 12/31/2010, 7:22 am- Re: Still got that bottle of glue?
Darel -- 12/31/2010, 11:31 am
- Re: Still got that bottle of glue?
- Re: Strip: Butt joint issues?
- buy new glue
Paul G. Jacobson -- 12/29/2010, 4:27 am- Re: Strip: Butt joint issues?
Dave Houser -- 12/29/2010, 12:46 am- Re: Strip: Butt joint issues?
JohnK -- 12/29/2010, 2:23 am
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Charlie -- 12/28/2010, 11:20 pm- Re: Strip: Butt joint issues?
Bill Hamm -- 12/29/2010, 8:16 am
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Allan -- 12/28/2010, 10:36 pm- Re: Strip: Butt joint issues?
Stephen Troy -- 12/28/2010, 10:13 pm- Re: Strip: Butt joint issues? *NM* *PIC*
Darel -- 12/29/2010, 12:43 am- Re: Strip: Butt joint issues?
Bill Hamm -- 12/29/2010, 8:33 am
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mark j -- 12/28/2010, 11:19 pm- Re: Strip: Butt joint issues?
Darel -- 12/28/2010, 10:22 pm - Re: Strip: Butt joint issues?
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- joints of many kinds *PIC*