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Re: Skin-on-Frame: SUP?
By:Les Cheeseman
Date: 1/28/2011, 2:20 pm
In Response To: Re: Skin-on-Frame: SUP? (Justin)

: Practical? If I were practical I would just drive down to my local
: surfshop and buy a popout made in Thailand.

: How practical are SOF kayaks?

: How practical was the Wright flyer? I saw a special where a bunch
: of engineers used modern computer modeling to examine the Wright
: flyer. The conclusion was that it was humanly impossible to
: correct for the instability of the craft. So they built one. And
: some pilots flew it. And crashed it :).

: I had the same questions. Like I said the shape is over 70 years
: old. The shape is actually very nimble for a 14' X 24"
: "ironing board". When I first started paddling it, I
: thought I laid the "keel" crooked because I kept
: spinning away from the course I was trying hold. I adjusted my
: weight a tad and found I could hold a nice straight course
: despite a stiff breeze hitting me from an angle. There is no
: skeg on this board. I can hold a comfortable coarse on any
: "point of sail" with a few inch shift now. It's easier
: to hold a course than my modern roto kayak.

: I can do a 180 much faster than on my 12' modern longboard. I can
: prone paddle them about the same speed (timed 1 mile paddle) in
: glass. In mild chop the Blake is faster. My skinning work was
: not ideal and the way I worked out the nose is less than
: practical. When the skin fails I will re-do how the rails and
: nose come together and do a better job of skinning. I also have
: a bum shoulder so those all add up I think to my inability to
: overcome the wetted surface area of the Blake board to reap the
: rewards of the extra waterline.

: I thought the board was going to be a stiff tank. I built it to sup
: on thinking the old school tanks were stable barges. Not so. I
: can SUP on my 12' surfboard (I weigh 220# (100kg?)). On anything
: but glass the BlakeSOF is too much work to stay on.

: I chose the shape because of it's simplicity, boxy rails being
: easier to work out in SOF than a modern board.

: If your wife has questions about the practicality of riding ironing
: boards check this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mls1hhpPJEA
: Wegener had some questions about the ancient Hawaiian shapes he saw
: in museums (As did Blake). He found those shapes are quite
: effective. Modern surfing essentially abandoned 3000 years of
: evolution in 70 years. Starting with Blake and his modernization
: of the ancient olo. Sounds a bit like kayak evolution. Wegener
: is actually shaping "alaias" in foam now like a modern
: board.

: Blake revolutionized lifesaving with this board. Some refer to the
: shape I used as the lifeguard model. I'm an ex-lifeguard, a
: land/flatwater locked surfer and a waterman history geek so the
: shape has some meaning to me. I have a 1940's American Red Cross
: lifesaving manual with pictures of Blake's boards in it.

: Practical? Never. Did I learn something? Absolutely. I learned more
: than I thought I would. I have a new respect for Blake. I heard
: someone say we seem to forget that those who came before us
: essentially had the same problem solving skills and intelligence
: as us, they just had a different body of knowledge.

: I'll probably build a Blake board using the classic build method
: someday. My next project will be a folding SUP. Blake actually
: made a folding board. I've seen pictures from a distance but
: have never found info on the internal structure.

: I hope I don't come across as preachy. I'm not offended but I just
: want to stress we can learn a lot from those who come before
: use. Calling the Blake shape an ironing board is a bit like
: calling the great pyramid a pile of rocks. There is subtlety and
: elegance to these old things that can only be experienced.
: Picasso was a great artist in the classical sense before he
: discarded that and went cubist. A Picasso exhibit just came
: through town. I had respect for his place in art history but not
: until I saw some of his work in person did I truly understand
: what a genius he was. (I'm not trying to call myself Picasso by
: the way). Just the classic look to the future while
: understanding the past kind of thing.

Hi. Justin
Thanks for the reply, Just joking! and it's great to see someone passionate about what they do.
Regards Les C.

Messages In This Thread

Skin-on-Frame: SUP?
Doug S -- 1/26/2010, 10:33 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: SUP? *PIC*
Justin -- 1/25/2011, 8:07 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: SUP?
Malcolm Schweizer -- 1/26/2011, 6:09 am
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Justin -- 1/28/2011, 12:36 pm
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Les Cheeseman -- 1/26/2011, 5:29 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: SUP? *PIC*
Justin -- 1/27/2011, 8:12 am
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John Roberts -- 1/27/2011, 7:48 pm
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Les Cheeseman -- 1/27/2011, 8:36 am
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Justin -- 1/28/2011, 12:33 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: SUP?
Les Cheeseman -- 1/28/2011, 2:20 pm
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Justin -- 1/31/2011, 8:11 am
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Malcolm Schweizer -- 1/27/2010, 4:08 am
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Doug S -- 1/28/2010, 8:32 am
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Bill Hamm -- 1/28/2010, 12:34 pm
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Scott Shurlow -- 1/27/2010, 9:42 am
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Bill Hamm -- 1/27/2010, 12:48 am
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Doug S -- 1/28/2010, 8:27 am
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Bill Hamm -- 1/28/2010, 12:32 pm