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Re: Scarfing with finger jointer--don't bother
By:Bill Hamm
Date: 2/21/2011, 12:55 am
In Response To: Re: Scarfing with finger jointer--don't bother *PIC* (Paul G. Jacobson)

: Why do they have to be scarfed? Plenty of boats built with srips
: shorter than that--and those are just joined with square-cut
: ends (butt joints) located on any of the conveniently-spaced
: frames. You probably only need 5 to 7 full-length strips to
: start with, and then use shorter ones for the rest of the work.
: It is faster to do 5 scarfs by hand than to make a jig.

: If you don't open the stack and insert wax paper or something
: similar between each strip AFTER your cut then oozing glue will
: turn your pile of strips into a solid mass at the joint. You'll
: weaken the bonds trying to get your paired strips separated. If
: you insert the wax paper dividers, then you no longer have all
: the ends aligned, so gluing a bundle at one time means a few may
: be misaligned. You'll see large glue lines and gaps at the
: joints--and those joints will be weak. You will probably need
: more than one clamp. If you go this way do just 2 or 3 at a time
: and use 3 clamps plus some scrap on both sides of the stack to
: bridge the joint, and allow you to apply pressure without
: denting the strips.

: Biggest problems with fingerjoints are the time involved in making
: them, and the visual appearance of the strips. With an angled
: butt joint, a square cut butt joint, or a scarf joint there is
: just a single line. Usually this can be disguised. With a finger
: joint it looks like the boat was held together with zippers.
: With careful matching of strips this effect can be minimized,
: thogh.

: My favorite method. Rip, flip, cut the strip.

: Rip your original board in half (pretty close is good enough--you
: can be off 1/4" to 1/2" and this still works, but that
: would be pretty lazy) A 1x8 is 7.5" wide. figure 1/8th inch
: for the kerf of the saw blade and you want to cut 2 boards which
: are 3 11/16 wide, or a little under. If you set up to make the
: first cut a little under exactly a half, you can take your wider
: piece and run it through the saw to remove the excess and make
: it match.

: Flip one of the pieces so that the top half of that piece overlaps
: the top half of its mate. By mating the same ends of the
: original plank you stand the best chance of matching grain and
: color. Such matching helps disguise the joint. I use an overlap
: of 18" to 24", and clamp the boards together. Someone
: suggested taping the boards together, and I'll try that next
: time. I draw a diagonal line across the face of the boards in
: the overlapped area, and cut through them. Usually I use a jig
: saw, and dodge the clamps, but it is almost as fast to pick up a
: handsaw. The cedar is soft and it is easy to cut a straight line
: between the clamps. And if I wiggle a bit, it is no big deal.
: The top and bottom boards are cut like jigsaw puzzle pieces and
: even with wiggles they come together nicely.

: Some people plane these cuts before gluing. I don't. The rough edge
: of the cut holds lots of glue, the fit is always hidden.

: remove the clamps, set aside the cut off triangles (you can use
: them later for all kinds of stuff), apply glue to the freshly
: cut edges and join the two boards to make one long one. Use 2 or
: three clamps along the length of the joint, and don't squeeze
: them too tight. From two 8' boards you get a 14' board. Adding a
: third length give you a 20' strip. You lose 2' from every one of
: these long scarfs, but you get beautiful long strips.

: After the glue has hardened, use a scraper to remove the squeezeout
: from the flat sides of the board. That may work on the edges,
: too. Very light sanding by hand should make the area flat. Don't
: overdo it.

: If you want to remove knots from the board, use that cut-off piece
: as a gauge. set it next to the knot on your long board and trace
: a cutting line next to the knot. Cut on the line. Overlap the
: freshly cut pieces so the knot is on the bottom, and completely
: hidden by the top piece. If you are using a handsaw rest the
: side of the blade against the top piece as a guide, and cut
: through the bottom piece. if you are using electric saws, cut
: through both pieces, staying parallel to the angled cut, and
: about 1/4" inside of it. Glue and clamp. No more knot. Loss
: of a couple inches.

: When you rip your strips each cut will create a smooth and perfect
: section as it goes through the joint area. The ripping process
: automatically cleans things up. If you bead-and-cove the edges,
: rip a 3 degree bevel on the edges,or if you use a handplane to
: fit them individually, you'll remove any last traces of glue
: squeezeout from the edges. If you do nothing, then your scraping
: should have given you a smooth enough surface for gluing to
: another strip.

: Do this just once to get full length strips to start your sheer
: lines. It wstes a bit of material, but it is much faster,
: straighter and neater than scarfing individual strips. You'll
: get about 8 to 12 from the long, skinny board. After that use
: shorter strips. Once you set up your saw for ripping strips it
: doesn't matter too much what the length is. You'll need some
: help, or infeed/outfeed supports for the longer materials, but
: the strip thickness is already set on the saw.

: Here is an illustration of the rip and flip process.

: Hope this helps

: PGJ

Hi Paul,

You'll lose far less wood (one half of the scarf is waste) doing a thickness scarf. The scarf area is exactly the same, just waste less fairly expensive wood doing it thru the thickness vs. thru the width.

Bill H.

Messages In This Thread

Strip: Scarffing with finger jointer
JohnK -- 2/18/2011, 7:43 pm
Re: Strip: Scarffing with finger jointer
Paul R -- 2/18/2011, 9:03 pm
Re: Strip: Scarffing with finger jointer
JohnK -- 2/19/2011, 8:05 pm
Re: Strip: Scarffing with finger jointer
Paul R -- 2/19/2011, 8:47 pm
Re: Scarfing with finger jointer--don't bother *PIC*
Paul G. Jacobson -- 2/19/2011, 1:00 pm
Re: Scarfing with finger jointer--don't bother
Michael -- 2/19/2011, 3:05 pm
Re: Scarfing with finger jointer--don't bother *PIC*
Paul G. Jacobson -- 2/20/2011, 5:52 am
Re: Scarfing with finger jointer--don't bother
Michael -- 2/20/2011, 11:09 am
Re: Scarfing with finger jointer--don't bother
Bill Hamm -- 2/19/2011, 5:09 pm
Re: Scarfing with finger jointer--don't bother *PIC*
Kurt Maurer -- 2/19/2011, 6:56 pm
Re: Scarfing with finger jointer--don't bother
Bill Hamm -- 2/21/2011, 12:55 am
Re: Scarfing with finger jointer--don't bother
Bill Hamm -- 2/21/2011, 1:13 am
Re: Scarfing out knots
Paul G. Jacobson -- 2/21/2011, 3:21 am
Re: Scarfing out knots
Etienne Muller - ireland -- 2/21/2011, 5:15 am
Re: Scarfing out knots
Bill Hamm -- 2/21/2011, 1:41 pm
OT: other type of scarf *PIC*
Paul G. Jacobson -- 2/21/2011, 3:31 pm
Re: OT: other type of scarf
Bill Hamm -- 2/22/2011, 1:42 am
Re: Scarfing out knots
Bill Hamm -- 2/21/2011, 1:40 pm
Re: Strip: Scarffing with finger jointer
JohnK -- 2/19/2011, 8:08 pm
Re: Strip: Scarffing with finger jointer
Paul G. Jacobson -- 2/20/2011, 4:58 am
Re: Strip: Scarffing with finger jointer
ancient kayaker -- 2/25/2011, 10:51 pm