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Re: Skin-on-Frame: PL Premium
By:Bill Hamm
Date: 5/13/2011, 2:09 pm
In Response To: Skin-on-Frame: PL Premium (Thomas Duncan)

: So. Fueled by Dave Gentry's post a while back, I bought a tube of
: this PL Premium construction adhesive when I skinned my kayak
: last week. I used it for various gluing tasks and to goop up the
: coaming-to-skin seal inside. Neat stuff.

: Took a nylon scrap last night and spread a thin smear of PL over it
: like Corey's Goop or whatever. This morning it's probably mostly
: cured though I guess a few more days for it to fully cure. It's
: already tough as crap and still quite flexible etc.

: So I guess Noel (? "The Lucky One" Is that you) is
: coating his new Sea Tour with it. Love to know how that goes
: over a larger surface... and to hear about how paint sticks to
: it.

: The scrap I coated last night, though "dry" this morning,
: feels kinda greasy/waxy. If it were epoxy, I'd guess it's amine
: blush. What is it with the PL? What's that greasiness going to
: do to paint adhesion? I'll wait a bit longer on the cure, then
: wash it with soapy water and see how it feels.

: I'm wondering why we couldn't use something like this to form a
: double-layer laminated skin something like on a Feathercraft.
: I'm not sure if the outside of a feathercraft skin is another
: fabric, or if it is urethane imprinted with a fabric texture.
: But my thought is to use a lighter nylon initially, then
: laminate a "pretty" fabric to it for the color and
: outside finish.

: For that matter, why would we not use something like 5200 instead
: of PL. How similar are these two materials? I've never yet
: personally played with 5200, but I am eyeing it. The fast cure I
: reckon. I don't have patience for a week cure unless the results
: would be phenomenal. Would it even cure if overlaid with another
: layer of cloth?

: Also still heavily interested in the Hamm method, and the stuff Dan
: C has been doing with Vectra (whatever that is) etc. But these
: methods may be more expensive?

: Paint is great, varnish, polyurethane, but these things are always
: wearing out on me on nylon, cracking at the heels and sometimes
: the butt. Floor slats take care of the seat area cracking pretty
: much, suppose the same for heel boards, but I had to rip my last
: attempt at heel boards out, just not enough room, too
: uncomfortable. Thinking of smearing some PL up there by the
: heels on the inside of the yak. That might help. Corey's Goop is
: great, but it's such a dang mess to apply, and so ugly when
: done. I just don't have the "touch" some may with it.
: I suppose after 10 kayaks, I might get better at applying that.

: Thoughts on this idea of laminating for an outer fabric finish
: versus paint?

Btw, we are rapidly reaching the time of covering the SOF I'll be using as an example of my cover process. Stay tuned for pictures. I think all we have to do is the seat supports and the foot braces....not sure :)

Bill H.

Messages In This Thread

Skin-on-Frame: PL Premium
Thomas Duncan -- 5/12/2011, 11:00 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: PL Premium
Clayton Plunkett -- 5/12/2011, 2:21 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: PL Premium
Dave Gentry -- 5/12/2011, 2:25 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: PL Premium
Scott Shurlow -- 5/13/2011, 12:02 pm
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Dave Gentry -- 5/12/2011, 2:24 pm
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TheLuckyOne -- 5/12/2011, 2:45 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: PL Premium
TheLuckyOne -- 5/12/2011, 2:48 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: PL Premium
Jeff Horton -- 5/13/2011, 8:02 am
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Dave Gentry -- 5/13/2011, 9:29 am
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Thomas Duncan -- 5/13/2011, 9:48 am
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Thomas Duncan -- 5/13/2011, 9:58 am
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Thomas Duncan -- 5/13/2011, 10:00 am
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StephenHJ -- 5/13/2011, 1:26 pm
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Thomas Duncan -- 5/13/2011, 2:08 pm
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David Bynoe -- 5/13/2011, 11:23 am
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TheLuckyOne -- 5/13/2011, 4:50 pm
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Kudzu/Jeff Horton -- 5/13/2011, 10:30 am
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Bill Hamm -- 5/13/2011, 2:09 pm
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Thomas Duncan -- 5/13/2011, 2:16 pm
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StephenHJ -- 5/13/2011, 2:17 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: PL Premium
Bill Hamm -- 5/14/2011, 6:44 am