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Re: Skin-on-Frame: sof fiberglass/dacron coaming
By:Bill Hamm
Date: 8/15/2011, 2:57 pm
In Response To: Re: Skin-on-Frame: sof fiberglass/dacron coaming (Thomas Duncan)

: Half gallon then, that should about do it.

: I figure a 12oz ballistic nylon goop or varnish skin weighs
: somewhere around 8 pounds, based on weighing frame before and
: after skinning over several kayaks. Would you venture a guess to
: what your epoxy skin, say with a single layer of 6 oz glass
: might weigh?

: I am looking to this method for several reasons:
: • It seems to promise greater longevity than nylon/varnish or
: goop.
: • Less issue with sagging/wrinkling.
: • Easier incorporation of bulkheads/hatches.
: • Stiffer, possibly less skin deflection, possibly more efficient
: hull realized, somewhere between skin boat and wood-core FG?
: • Better finish possibilities, neater appearance with lack of my
: trademark Frankenstein stitch up the deck
: • Durability... sounds promising, I still have a hard time
: getting my head around this thin a layup being very puncture or
: tear resistant though. Is this a kayak I can bash over submerged
: logs with, or do I need to treat it gently? Can I pound over
: waves and get mixed up in the surf with this skin?

: One cause of concern, in reading around about this over the
: weekend, I've seen plenty of references to dacron being used as
: a cheap peel-ply because *epoxy doesn't stick to it*??? Surely
: they are meaning something besides the aircraft dacron you're
: using in this skin?

: So, I read the Duckworks Epoxy/Dacron/Xynole Matrix article again.
: http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/07/howto/skin/index.htm Is this
: essentially the same basic process you are using?

: Does the dacron heat shrunk on the frame make a solid enough
: surface to allow squeegeeing excess epoxy out of the glass
: layer? This is just like glassing a hard shell kayak, right? You
: mentioned in one post that the lightest dacron was like
: "working on the surface of a balloon". Is the heavier
: dacron then have give more like a kayak skinned tight with nylon
: or something? To what can I relate what I might expect? Because
: the dacron is more or less sealed with a thin coat of epoxy
: before the glass is applied, I imagine that during the wet out
: stage of the glass, you don't really have to worry about the
: dacron either sucking resin and starving the glass, or pushing
: resin through both layers to create a heavy build up on the
: inside of the kayak? Mostly have to worry about not floating the
: glass? I imagine the thicker the epoxy layer, the more prone to
: cracking it might be?

: Thanks for your help, Bill and Dan. I've got the building itch
: something fierce, it's all I can do to stay at my desk right
: now.

Oh yeah, Duckworks article. I've never seen it, so no it's not the method I use :)

Bill H.

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Skin-on-Frame: sof fiberglass/dacron coaming
Thomas Duncan -- 8/14/2011, 10:23 pm
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Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 8/15/2011, 5:29 am
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Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 8/15/2011, 5:33 am
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Jeff Horton -- 8/15/2011, 7:54 am
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Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 8/15/2011, 4:22 pm
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Jeff Horton -- 8/16/2011, 7:24 am
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Thomas Duncan -- 8/15/2011, 10:24 am
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Brooks Cone -- 3/16/2014, 4:28 pm
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Thomas Duncan -- 3/16/2014, 4:49 pm
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Thomas Duncan -- 3/16/2014, 4:54 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 3/17/2014, 1:24 am
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Brooks Cone -- 3/17/2014, 8:04 am
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Bill Hamm -- 3/17/2014, 7:10 pm
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Brooks Cone -- 3/17/2014, 8:10 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 3/18/2014, 12:48 am
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Brooks Cone -- 3/18/2014, 9:19 am
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Marc Upchurch -- 3/18/2014, 11:58 am
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Bill Hamm -- 3/19/2014, 12:48 am
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Bill Hamm -- 3/19/2014, 12:46 am
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Marc Upchurch -- 3/20/2014, 1:05 pm
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Dan Caouette (CSCWC) -- 3/17/2014, 9:15 am
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Brooks Cone -- 3/18/2014, 9:49 am
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Dan Caouette (CSCWC) -- 3/18/2014, 10:26 am
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Bill Hamm -- 3/19/2014, 12:52 am
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Dan Caouette (CSCWC) -- 3/19/2014, 7:54 am
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Bill Hamm -- 3/20/2014, 12:29 am
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Dan Caouette (CSCWC) -- 3/20/2014, 8:00 am
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Nick Riccardi -- 10/13/2015, 8:46 am
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Bill Hamm -- 10/13/2015, 8:57 am
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Bill Hamm -- 10/13/2015, 9:00 am
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Bill Hamm -- 10/13/2015, 9:38 pm
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Rick Eliot -- 10/14/2015, 10:06 am
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Bill Hamm -- 8/15/2011, 9:11 am
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Thomas Duncan -- 8/15/2011, 10:28 am
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Bill Hamm -- 8/15/2011, 10:37 am
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Thomas Duncan -- 8/15/2011, 11:36 am
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Bill Hamm -- 8/15/2011, 2:56 pm
Thank you Bill! *NM*
Thomas Duncan -- 8/15/2011, 3:19 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 8/15/2011, 2:57 pm
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Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 8/16/2011, 8:25 am
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Bill Hamm -- 8/16/2011, 12:53 pm