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Re: Skin-on-Frame: Seamless Fiberglass
By:Mike Savage
Date: 11/2/2011, 12:09 pm
In Response To: Re: Skin-on-Frame: Seamless Fiberglass (Bryan Hansel)

: I'm not exactly sure, but they use a combo of woven mats, chop
: strand mat with diolen tape along the keel in the hull. They
: just speak mumbo-jumbo on their website:
: http://seakayakinguk.com/seakayaks/?mode=standard&item=layup
: I'd guess woven, chopped, woven with extra woven at the
: important points.

Thanks.
Chopped strand and woven mat comes out quite heavy. Chopped strand takes the place of cedar, it's there to make the skin as thick as possible with just glass/resin.
The glassie I had had a woven/cloth hull with a chopped strand deck. It started out about 30 lbs.
When I had the deck off once, the hull flexed all over the place, the hull was rounded, actually, everything was except for the foot-bar brackets.

A problem with CSM is that it takes a huge amount of resin, generally about 3.5:1 by weight of glass, cloth is about 1.5:1 or less with care. (I think 1.1:1 is what is required for aircraft)

A lot of the old FG kayaks, chined type, had built-in stringers, plastic, timber, twisted paper, etc, running lengthwise along the flat sections to minimise flex in the panel.
That wouldn't take up much room, as a frame would.

Mike Savage
South West Cork

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Skin-on-Frame: Seamless Fiberglass
Bryan Hansel -- 10/30/2011, 12:34 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Seamless Fiberglass
Mike Savage -- 10/30/2011, 5:03 pm
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Bryan Hansel -- 10/30/2011, 5:07 pm
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Robert W. -- 10/30/2011, 5:27 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 10/31/2011, 1:47 am
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Bryan Hansel -- 11/1/2011, 11:23 am
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Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 11/1/2011, 3:40 pm
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Bryan Hansel -- 11/1/2011, 9:43 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/1/2011, 4:22 pm
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Bryan Hansel -- 11/1/2011, 9:56 pm
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Roy Martin -- 11/1/2011, 10:04 pm
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Bryan Hansel -- 11/1/2011, 10:11 pm
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Roy Martin -- 11/1/2011, 10:17 pm
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Roy Martin -- 11/1/2011, 10:19 pm
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Bryan Hansel -- 11/2/2011, 12:15 am
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Bryan Hansel -- 11/1/2011, 11:25 am
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Mike Savage -- 11/1/2011, 2:26 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/1/2011, 4:06 pm
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StephenHJ -- 11/1/2011, 5:18 pm
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Bryan Hansel -- 11/1/2011, 10:06 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/2/2011, 1:48 am
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Mike Savage -- 11/2/2011, 11:53 am
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Bryan Hansel -- 11/1/2011, 10:01 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/2/2011, 1:52 am
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Bill Hamm -- 11/2/2011, 1:53 am
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Mike Savage -- 11/2/2011, 12:09 pm
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Bryan Hansel -- 11/2/2011, 12:52 pm
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Mike Savage -- 11/2/2011, 2:23 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Seamless Fiberglass *PIC*
Clayton Plunkett -- 10/31/2011, 10:17 am
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Bryan Hansel -- 11/1/2011, 11:26 am
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Clayton Plunkett -- 11/1/2011, 11:59 am
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Bryan Hansel -- 11/1/2011, 9:54 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/2/2011, 1:58 am
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Matthew Bastian -- 10/31/2011, 3:57 pm
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ancient kayaker -- 10/31/2011, 4:50 pm
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Bryan Hansel -- 11/1/2011, 11:29 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Seamless Fiberglass
Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 11/1/2011, 3:42 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/1/2011, 4:28 pm
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Bryan Hansel -- 11/1/2011, 9:44 pm
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Roy Martin -- 11/1/2011, 10:28 pm
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Jim Kretz -- 11/1/2011, 11:33 am
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greg h -- 11/1/2011, 1:21 pm
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Bob Beaullieu -- 11/1/2011, 3:19 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/1/2011, 4:16 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Seamless Fiberglass
Bryan Hansel -- 11/1/2011, 9:52 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Seamless Fiberglass
Bryan Hansel -- 11/1/2011, 9:47 pm