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Re: Material: alu-tube rigidity
By:Jeff Buyer
Date: 11/15/2012, 11:11 am
In Response To: Material: alu-tube rigidity (CarstenT)

This setup does
: not reflect how it will respond in water, but .. gee, it's SOFT.
: Awful soft. My instinct tells me that it's too soft to act as
: the central and only 'rigid' structure to 'hang' everything else
: up on.

Not at all sure what you're doing here, but normally in a skin-on-frame kayak the keel is definitely not a central and rigid structure that everything else hangs on. The gunwales are the heaviest and stiffest structures instead. Also, if you are doing anything similar to Tom Yost's construction, the plywood or HDPE frames will add a great deal of rigidity.

As far as the carbon fiber goes, I am currently building a kayak using pultruded carbon fiber tubing. Gunwales are 0.5" in diameter, approximately 12 mm, and have some stiffness. They are flexible enough to bend sufficiently to form a 15' x 22" kayak. Chines and keel are 0.375" in diameter, approximately 9.5 mm, and are quite flexible. I would not use them for gunwales unless the boat was so short and wide that the larger diameter tubing would not make the bend. I am also using frames every foot, instead of every 2 feet as in Tom's design, to provide more support to the carbon fiber tubes. If you are using biaxial carbon fiber tubing perhaps they are much stiffer than my pultruded tubes.

Jeff

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Material: alu-tube rigidity
CarstenT -- 11/14/2012, 3:26 pm
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Marc Upchurch -- 11/14/2012, 6:55 pm
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ancient kayaker -- 11/15/2012, 12:06 am
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Bill Hamm -- 11/15/2012, 2:03 am
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Brian Nystrom -- 11/15/2012, 7:18 am
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Bill Hamm -- 11/16/2012, 10:22 am
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Brian Nystrom -- 11/16/2012, 12:31 pm
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CarstenT -- 11/16/2012, 5:32 pm
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Marc Upchurch -- 11/16/2012, 9:22 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/17/2012, 1:39 pm
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Marc Upchurch -- 11/17/2012, 3:53 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/18/2012, 12:35 am
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Marc Upchurch -- 11/18/2012, 9:40 am
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Bill Hamm -- 11/19/2012, 1:16 am
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Mike Savage -- 11/17/2012, 3:54 pm
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Marc Upchurch -- 11/17/2012, 7:07 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/18/2012, 12:38 am
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Mike Savage -- 11/18/2012, 12:42 pm
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Yostwerks -- 11/15/2012, 11:06 am
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CarstenT -- 11/15/2012, 12:22 pm
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Yostwerks -- 11/15/2012, 1:42 pm
Re: Material: alu-tube rigidity *PIC*
Yostwerks -- 11/15/2012, 2:02 pm
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CarstenT -- 11/15/2012, 3:04 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/16/2012, 10:26 am
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Jeff Buyer -- 11/15/2012, 11:11 am
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CarstenT -- 11/15/2012, 12:51 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/16/2012, 10:32 am
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CarstenT -- 11/16/2012, 5:53 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/17/2012, 1:42 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/16/2012, 10:29 am
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Jeff Buyer -- 11/16/2012, 11:21 am
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Bill Hamm -- 11/17/2012, 1:44 pm
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Jeff Buyer -- 11/17/2012, 3:53 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/18/2012, 1:45 am
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Jeff Buyer -- 11/18/2012, 1:56 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/19/2012, 1:19 am
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CarstenT -- 11/16/2012, 6:53 pm
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Marc Upchurch -- 11/16/2012, 9:29 pm
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CarstenT -- 11/17/2012, 5:30 am
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Yostwerks -- 11/17/2012, 10:40 am
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Bill Hamm -- 11/17/2012, 1:47 pm
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Jeff Buyer -- 11/17/2012, 4:07 pm
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CarstenT -- 11/17/2012, 4:34 pm
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Jeff Buyer -- 11/17/2012, 5:40 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/18/2012, 1:50 am
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Jeff Buyer -- 11/18/2012, 2:10 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/19/2012, 1:22 am
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Bill Hamm -- 11/18/2012, 1:51 am
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Jeff Buyer -- 11/18/2012, 2:07 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/19/2012, 1:25 am
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Yostwerks -- 11/19/2012, 10:14 am
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CarstenT -- 11/18/2012, 4:31 am
Electrolysis
CarstenT -- 6/2/2013, 6:39 am
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Jeff Buyer -- 6/2/2013, 7:39 am
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CarstenT -- 6/2/2013, 9:46 am
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Tom Cooper -- 6/2/2013, 10:35 am
Re: Electrolysis
CarstenT -- 6/2/2013, 12:57 pm
Clogged up hinges. Solution
CarstenT -- 6/26/2013, 4:43 am
Re: Material: alu-tube rigidity
JohnAbercrombie -- 11/18/2012, 3:03 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/19/2012, 1:33 am
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Yostwerks -- 11/19/2012, 9:48 am
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CarstenT -- 10/17/2014, 5:31 am
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Bill Hamm -- 10/17/2014, 9:56 am
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CarstenT -- 10/18/2014, 6:00 am