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Re: Material: alu-tube rigidity
By:Bill Hamm
Date: 11/19/2012, 1:33 am
In Response To: Re: Material: alu-tube rigidity (JohnAbercrombie)

: +1
: And, broken carbon (when I've destroyed scraps in the shop) tends
: to have a lot of needle-like shards - not something I'd like
: inside my kayak if I were getting thrashed.
: Carbon can be stiff but brittle.
: I agree that the transitions at the frames and joining tubes are a
: problem for a thin carbon tube.
: Most aluminum has the happy property of getting a bit 'bent out of
: shape' before breaking.
: It's probably not an issue, since 'ultra-light construction' and
: 'thrashed' don't really go well together.....

: Same thread, different topic:
: I've worked a bit with CF and 'glass sleeve material, and it is not
: easy to build hollow tubes using an internal mandrel.
: You need a good polished mandrel, lots of mold release-type
: products, and the longer the tube the trickier it is.

: So, if anybody is doing this with consistent success, please post
: here!
: My last experiment in tube building needed to be slit lengthwise to
: get it free of the mandrel. Fortunately, it needed another layer
: of sleeve anyway, and wasn't a structural item.

Since the method is untested, and right now I don't have time to test it, all I can say is it doesn't use either an internal or external mold at least not in the conventional sense.

Btw, you can use a long internal tube as a mandrel if you carefully wrap it with something like kraft paper in several layers then cover with a plastic release. After laying up the tube it can be soaked in water and the paper will disolve enough that the composite tube can be slipped off the mandrel fairly easily. It's wildly messy though and not the method I plan to use. I've done this method though and it works.

Bill H.

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Material: alu-tube rigidity
CarstenT -- 11/14/2012, 3:26 pm
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Marc Upchurch -- 11/14/2012, 6:55 pm
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ancient kayaker -- 11/15/2012, 12:06 am
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Bill Hamm -- 11/15/2012, 2:03 am
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Brian Nystrom -- 11/15/2012, 7:18 am
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Bill Hamm -- 11/16/2012, 10:22 am
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Brian Nystrom -- 11/16/2012, 12:31 pm
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CarstenT -- 11/16/2012, 5:32 pm
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Marc Upchurch -- 11/16/2012, 9:22 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/17/2012, 1:39 pm
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Marc Upchurch -- 11/17/2012, 3:53 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/18/2012, 12:35 am
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Marc Upchurch -- 11/18/2012, 9:40 am
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Bill Hamm -- 11/19/2012, 1:16 am
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Mike Savage -- 11/17/2012, 3:54 pm
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Marc Upchurch -- 11/17/2012, 7:07 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/18/2012, 12:38 am
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Mike Savage -- 11/18/2012, 12:42 pm
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Yostwerks -- 11/15/2012, 11:06 am
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CarstenT -- 11/15/2012, 12:22 pm
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Yostwerks -- 11/15/2012, 1:42 pm
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Yostwerks -- 11/15/2012, 2:02 pm
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CarstenT -- 11/15/2012, 3:04 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/16/2012, 10:26 am
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Jeff Buyer -- 11/15/2012, 11:11 am
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CarstenT -- 11/15/2012, 12:51 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/16/2012, 10:32 am
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CarstenT -- 11/16/2012, 5:53 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/17/2012, 1:42 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/16/2012, 10:29 am
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Jeff Buyer -- 11/16/2012, 11:21 am
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Bill Hamm -- 11/17/2012, 1:44 pm
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Jeff Buyer -- 11/17/2012, 3:53 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/18/2012, 1:45 am
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Jeff Buyer -- 11/18/2012, 1:56 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/19/2012, 1:19 am
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CarstenT -- 11/16/2012, 6:53 pm
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Marc Upchurch -- 11/16/2012, 9:29 pm
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CarstenT -- 11/17/2012, 5:30 am
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Yostwerks -- 11/17/2012, 10:40 am
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Bill Hamm -- 11/17/2012, 1:47 pm
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Jeff Buyer -- 11/17/2012, 4:07 pm
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CarstenT -- 11/17/2012, 4:34 pm
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Jeff Buyer -- 11/17/2012, 5:40 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/18/2012, 1:50 am
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Jeff Buyer -- 11/18/2012, 2:10 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/19/2012, 1:22 am
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Bill Hamm -- 11/18/2012, 1:51 am
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Jeff Buyer -- 11/18/2012, 2:07 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/19/2012, 1:25 am
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Yostwerks -- 11/19/2012, 10:14 am
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CarstenT -- 11/18/2012, 4:31 am
Electrolysis
CarstenT -- 6/2/2013, 6:39 am
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Jeff Buyer -- 6/2/2013, 7:39 am
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CarstenT -- 6/2/2013, 9:46 am
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Tom Cooper -- 6/2/2013, 10:35 am
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CarstenT -- 6/2/2013, 12:57 pm
Clogged up hinges. Solution
CarstenT -- 6/26/2013, 4:43 am
Re: Material: alu-tube rigidity
JohnAbercrombie -- 11/18/2012, 3:03 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/19/2012, 1:33 am
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Yostwerks -- 11/19/2012, 9:48 am
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CarstenT -- 10/17/2014, 5:31 am
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Bill Hamm -- 10/17/2014, 9:56 am
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