Boat Building Forum

Find advice on all aspects of building your own kayak, canoe or any lightweight boats

Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
By:Palle Dam
Date: 11/27/2014, 6:56 pm
In Response To: Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade (JohnAbercrombie)

I'm not sure that assumption is correct.
I think that the underwater lateral area is the area seen 'from the side' - i.e. the lateral projection of the hull.

You might very well be right. I wasn't sure of the meaning of the word "Lateral". That means that method 1 and 2 is actually the same. The only difference is that method 1 uses 3,33% of the lateral area.
If I recalculate method 2 the result is between 58.08 and 116.16 cm2. That seem a bit too small compared to the rudders you mention.

The problem this formula is that it doesn’t take the width of the boat into account. And a kayak is narrower than an average boat.
I am not sure, but I assume that a narrow boat is harder to turn than a wide boat of the same length. And will therefore require a larger rudder.
Imagine a round "boat" like a swimming ring or a life raft. They will turn very easily (But not move very fast)

For reference, the underwater part of the SmartTrack Race rudder on my Thomasson Panthera is 8cm x 20 cm; on my Think EZE surfski it's 13cm x 20 cm

That makes 160 cm2 and 260 cm2, and is equal to 2.75% and 4.47% of the lateral area of my Nomad.

Palle

Messages In This Thread

Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
Palle Dam -- 11/21/2014, 1:50 pm
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 11/21/2014, 3:35 pm
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
Palle Dam -- 11/22/2014, 8:23 am
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
John Kroeze -- 11/21/2014, 3:43 pm
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
Craig -- 11/22/2014, 1:18 am
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
Allan -- 11/22/2014, 1:33 am
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
Palle Dam -- 11/22/2014, 9:14 am
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
JohnAbercrombie -- 11/22/2014, 1:40 pm
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
Bill Hamm -- 11/23/2014, 1:44 am
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
Palle Dam -- 11/25/2014, 7:55 pm
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
JohnAbercrombie -- 11/25/2014, 8:22 pm
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
Palle Dam -- 11/27/2014, 6:56 pm
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade *PIC*
JohnAbercrombie -- 11/27/2014, 7:56 pm
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
Bill Hamm -- 11/30/2014, 12:56 am
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
Palle Dam -- 11/30/2014, 9:11 pm
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
JohnAbercrombie -- 11/30/2014, 11:36 pm
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
Palle Dam -- 12/1/2014, 1:17 pm
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
JohnAbercrombie -- 12/1/2014, 2:18 pm
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
Bill Hamm -- 12/1/2014, 1:13 am
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
Palle Dam -- 12/1/2014, 1:50 pm
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade *PIC*
JohnAbercrombie -- 12/1/2014, 2:27 pm
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
Bill Hamm -- 12/2/2014, 12:41 am
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
JohnAbercrombie -- 11/25/2014, 8:28 pm
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
Bill Hamm -- 11/26/2014, 5:29 am
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade
scottbaxter -- 11/21/2014, 4:40 pm
Re: Strip: Rudder mechanism and blade *PIC*
Reg Lake -- 11/24/2014, 12:57 am