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Re: S&G: first multi-chine kayak *PIC*
By:mick allen
Date: 10/20/2015, 8:28 pm
In Response To: Re: S&G: first multi-chine kayak *PIC* (Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks)

Interesting, I never read the patent closely enough to realize that your ‘apron’ might be covered as well. As well I didn’t realize that defending against an infringement claim would require that initial $30,000 search to substantiate a defense: even though I own glass kayaks that have a ‘recess’ and predate the patent by over 30 years, or that skinyak photo – as well as have prior art drawings of my own.

This building forum’s archive is also helpful for this with posts from Grant Goltz of Squeedunk kayaks demonstrating your type of plywood recess approach back in 1999, as well as another in Aug 2000 [Andrew Eddy] describing a similar kayak featured in the NSW Sea Kayaker Magazine.

And the kayak you show by Jason Boone is just great for the basic ‘step’.

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I never, ever could understand the slow introduction of a lowered cockpit by either Pygmy or CLC - as the approach had been so ubiquitous for WW kayaks for decades and decades. As it was such a natural approach [for me – and you and many others, obviously], it was almost inconceivable to imagine that anyone would even consider that such a detail was patentable at such a late date. I wonder if the idea was simply new, and exciting, and fresh to the applicant? But so out of touch with reality that I always discounted it as simply weird and to be ignored – but 30 grand to even start to defend – even now, wow! I was simply naïve, as usual. And to attempt to apply it to you when the basic approach was used ages before on the original strip guillemot as shown in your book. When is a laminate not a laminate?

Anyway, here’s one of my detail drawings from your forum dated june, 1999:

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S&G: first multi-chine kayak
warren williamson -- 8/17/2015, 10:41 pm
Re: S&G: first multi-chine kayak
Etienne Muller -- 8/18/2015, 3:44 am
Re: S&G: first multi-chine kayak *PIC*
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 8/18/2015, 8:12 am
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Justin -- 8/18/2015, 10:38 am
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Dan Caouette (CSCWC) -- 8/18/2015, 11:04 am
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Victor -- 8/18/2015, 11:41 am
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warren williamson -- 8/18/2015, 12:17 pm
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Justin -- 8/18/2015, 1:36 pm
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bsoderholm -- 8/18/2015, 3:08 pm
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Justin -- 8/18/2015, 3:57 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 8/18/2015, 10:19 pm
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Pete -- 8/18/2015, 11:00 pm
Re: S&G: first multi-chine kayak
Jay babina -- 10/20/2015, 11:43 am
Patent Foolishness
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 10/21/2015, 11:21 am
Patent 6779477 *PIC*
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 8/19/2015, 8:48 am
Re: Patent 6779477
Bill Hamm -- 8/19/2015, 5:07 pm
Re: Patent 6779477
Bill Hamm -- 10/20/2015, 3:26 am
Re: Patent 6779477
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 10/20/2015, 9:59 am
Re: Patent 6779477
Bill Hamm -- 10/20/2015, 2:00 pm
Re: Patent 6779477
Björn Thomasson -- 11/1/2017, 6:03 pm
Pygmy Recessed Ckpt Patent
mick allen -- 8/18/2015, 7:02 pm
Re: Pygmy Recessed Ckpt Patent
warren williamson -- 8/19/2015, 1:15 am
Recessed Ckpt Patent: the Guy
mick allen -- 8/19/2015, 3:47 am
Re: Pygmy Recessed Ckpt Patent
Bill Hamm -- 8/19/2015, 5:12 pm
Re: Pygmy Recessed Ckpt Patent
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 8/20/2015, 8:15 am
Re: Pygmy Recessed Ckpt Patent *PIC*
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 8/19/2015, 8:56 am
Re: Pygmy Recessed Ckpt Patent
Rod Tait -- 8/19/2015, 11:37 am
Re: Pygmy Recessed Ckpt Patent
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 8/19/2015, 1:04 pm
Re: Patents
Rod Tait -- 8/19/2015, 8:17 pm
Re: Patents
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 8/20/2015, 10:22 am
Re: Patents
Daniel Thaler -- 8/20/2015, 12:58 pm
Re: Patents
warren williamson -- 8/20/2015, 2:39 pm
Re: Patents
Dan Caouette (CSCWC) -- 8/20/2015, 3:52 pm
Re: Patents
Rod Tait -- 8/20/2015, 4:40 pm
Re: Patents
Bill Hamm -- 8/20/2015, 5:46 pm
Re: Patents
Shawn Jones -- 8/26/2015, 4:34 am
Re: Patents *PIC*
Shawn Jones -- 8/26/2015, 4:59 am
Re: Patents *PIC*
Dan Thaler -- 10/11/2015, 6:47 pm
Re: Patents
Alex Ferguson -- 11/2/2017, 6:20 am
Re: Patents
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 11/2/2017, 10:20 am
Re: Patents
JohnAbercrombie -- 11/2/2017, 11:01 am
Re: Pygmy Recessed Ckpt Patent
mick allen -- 8/19/2015, 10:11 pm
Re: S&G: first multi-chine kayak
Brian Nystrom -- 8/19/2015, 7:30 am
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daan Daaniels -- 10/18/2015, 2:53 pm
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daan Daniels -- 10/18/2015, 2:55 pm
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Marc Upchurch -- 10/18/2015, 3:44 pm
Re: S&G: first multi-chine kayak *PIC*
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 10/18/2015, 8:56 pm
Re: S&G: first multi-chine kayak
Björn Thomasson -- 11/1/2017, 6:44 pm
Re: S&G: first multi-chine kayak
mick allen -- 11/1/2017, 7:41 pm
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Björn Thomasson -- 11/2/2017, 4:15 am
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Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 11/2/2017, 8:36 am
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mick allen -- 11/3/2017, 10:40 pm
Letters from Attorneys
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 11/2/2017, 9:14 am
Re: Letters from Attorneys
M A Bielski -- 11/3/2017, 7:55 am
Re: Patent vs Trade Mark
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 11/3/2017, 9:19 am
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JohnAbercrombie -- 11/3/2017, 12:26 pm
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Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 11/3/2017, 5:01 pm
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JohnAbercrombie -- 11/3/2017, 5:19 pm
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JohnAbercrombie -- 11/3/2017, 5:21 pm
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M A Bielski -- 11/3/2017, 11:40 pm
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Etienne Muller -- 11/4/2017, 6:26 pm
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Jay Babina -- 11/4/2017, 7:33 pm
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JohnAbercrombie -- 11/4/2017, 8:24 pm
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Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 11/4/2017, 11:17 pm
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Etienne Muller -- 11/5/2017, 3:50 am
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Etienne Muller -- 11/5/2017, 3:54 am
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Paul Sylvester -- 11/5/2017, 5:00 am
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JohnAbercrombie -- 11/5/2017, 4:40 pm
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JohnAbercrombie -- 11/5/2017, 4:49 pm
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Jay Babina -- 11/5/2017, 6:35 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/2/2017, 9:10 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/2/2017, 9:37 pm
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LeeG -- 10/19/2015, 5:35 pm
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mick allen -- 10/20/2015, 1:26 am
Re: S&G: first multi-chine kayak *PIC*
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 10/20/2015, 11:00 am
Re: S&G: first multi-chine kayak *PIC*
mick allen -- 10/20/2015, 8:28 pm
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Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 10/20/2015, 9:56 pm
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mick allen -- 10/21/2015, 4:06 pm
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mick allen -- 10/31/2017, 1:48 pm
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Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 10/31/2017, 6:03 pm
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mick allen -- 10/31/2017, 7:32 pm