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Re: Upswept bow and stern.
By:Timothy - Toronto, Ontario
Date: 10/2/1998, 9:44 am
In Response To: Re: Rolling a touring Kayak vs a WhiteWater boat (Ross Leidy)

"I would think that a sea kayak with an upswept bow and stern would... tend to naturally roll on its side."

I wonder about that. I've read articles explaining that traditional Greenland kayaks had upswept ends to make them easier to roll, and I've read that it shouldn't make a difference.

I find that if I have my paddle float tied to the deck, my kayak is far easier to roll than when it's stowed in the cockpit, so I'm inclined to think the upswept ends would help.

I'm only using a Pawlata roll, though, so I wonder if the resistance of the paddle float or upswept ends might slow down a hip-snap roll enough to be a hindrance.

It was explained to me that rolling a sea kayak was not neccessarily more difficult, just slower. That certainly seems to be true with the Pawlata or extended paddle roll, but I haven't mastered the hip-snap so I can't comment on that.

Bear in mind that a different paddle is used for a sea kayak and that can have a lot of effect.

Recently I carved a Greenland style paddle, though, and the difference was phenomenal. It's like rolling with a paddle float on the end of your paddle, except that it's a much faster roll than with a European paddle.

Below is a link to the plans I used for the paddle. I'm going to post the link as a new item, with a few comments.

Greenland paddle plans

Messages In This Thread

Hatch Holdown pictures
Ross Leidy -- 9/30/1998, 9:50 am
Magnetic hatch hold-downs ... Not my idea
Ralph Matthews -- 10/8/1998, 5:14 pm
Re: Magnetic hatch hold-downs ... Not my idea
Nolan Penney -- 10/9/1998, 7:06 am
Re: Magnetic hatch hold-downs ... Velcro?
Mark Kanzler -- 10/10/1998, 12:16 am
Re: Magnetic hatch hold-downs ... Velcro?
Nolan Penney -- 10/9/1998, 2:34 pm
Re:hatch hold-downs ... Brainstorming?
Mark Kanzler -- 10/9/1998, 3:35 pm
Re:hatch hold-downs ... Brainstorming?
Nolan Penney -- 10/13/1998, 7:59 am
Re:hatch hold-downs ... Brainstorming?
Mike Spence -- 10/9/1998, 11:01 pm
Re:hatch hold-downs ... Brainstorming?
Don Beale -- 10/9/1998, 6:41 pm
Re: Hatch Holdown pictures
Jim Ward -- 9/30/1998, 6:12 pm
Re: Hatch Holdown pictures
Ross Leidy -- 9/30/1998, 9:30 pm
Re: Hatch Seal
Mark Kanzler -- 9/30/1998, 6:35 pm
Re: Hatch Seal
Brian C. -- 10/1/1998, 10:23 am
Re: Hatch Seal
Mark Kanzler -- 10/1/1998, 10:48 am
remote hatch release
Brian C. -- 9/30/1998, 10:21 am
Re: remote hatch release
Nick Schade -- 9/30/1998, 2:15 pm
More remote hatch release
Tor-Henrik Furmyr -- 9/30/1998, 1:13 pm
you could even lock it, cool!
Brian C. -- 9/30/1998, 3:10 pm
Re: you could even lock it, cool!
Mark Kanzler -- 9/30/1998, 4:48 pm
Re: remote hatch release
Tor-Henrik Furmyr -- 9/30/1998, 1:08 pm
Re: remote hatch release
Mark Kanzler -- 9/30/1998, 11:01 am
Re: Hatch Holdown pictures
Jay Babina -- 9/30/1998, 10:10 am
Re: Hatch Holdown pictures
Jim Gabriel -- 9/30/1998, 5:13 pm
Re: Not fully tested for watertightness
Ross Leidy -- 9/30/1998, 11:45 am
Re: Rolling
Nick Schade -- 9/30/1998, 2:42 pm
Found an instructor -- He rolled a CANOE
Brian C. -- 10/2/1998, 12:07 am
Re: Found an instructor -- He rolled a CANOE
Nolan Penney -- 10/1/1998, 1:30 pm
Re: Found an instructor -- He rolled a CANOE
Mark Kanzler -- 10/2/1998, 12:24 am
Tom Jenkins
Brian C. -- 10/1/1998, 5:35 pm
Re: Tom Jenkins
Mark Kanzler -- 10/1/1998, 6:01 pm
Re: Tom Jenkins
Brian C. -- 10/1/1998, 6:09 pm
Re: Tom Jenkins
Mark Kanzler -- 10/1/1998, 6:15 pm
That would be the Dallas Down River Club
Brian C. -- 10/1/1998, 6:37 pm
Re: OIC
Mark Kanzler -- 10/3/1998, 12:23 am
None taken
Brian C. -- 10/3/1998, 12:32 am
Re: Pawlata Roll
Jay Babina -- 10/1/1998, 10:14 am
Re: Pawlata Roll
L.C. -- 10/1/1998, 5:43 pm
Re: Pawlata Roll
Jay Babina -- 10/2/1998, 11:26 am
Is this video any good?
Brian C. -- 10/1/1998, 5:52 pm
Re: Is this video any good?
Mike Scarborough -- 10/1/1998, 8:27 pm
Rolling a touring Kayak vs a WhiteWater boat
Brian C. -- 9/30/1998, 3:27 pm
Re: Rolling a touring Kayak vs a WhiteWater boat
Nick Schade -- 10/1/1998, 8:48 pm
Re: Rolling a touring Kayak vs a WhiteWater boat
John Lange -- 9/30/1998, 8:02 pm
Re: Rolling a touring Kayak vs a WhiteWater boat
Dave Caudill -- 10/7/1998, 1:24 pm
Re: Rolling a touring Kayak vs a WhiteWater boat
Ross Leidy -- 9/30/1998, 4:06 pm
Re: Upswept bow and stern.
Timothy - Toronto, Ontario -- 10/2/1998, 9:44 am